Texas Teens Increased Sex After Abstinence Program

[Justforfun000]

I laugh at the united states. Hell in my Sex Edu class(s) at a CATHOLIC SCHOOL, we got the complete data. They encouraged abstance as a LIFESTYLE choice, but were completly informative of contraception, pros and cons of various methods, effective use and average percentages and so on.

They did stress that the only 100% safe way to keep away from STD's, pregnency issues and so on was not to have sex, but they sure as all hell didn't skimp on telling everything in great detail.

Well then I have to give great kudos to your Catholic school. If they were all that responsible, I'd be championing them as a good place to be educated. I've never had a problem with a creed having religion as PART of the curriculum, (provided they don't try to pass off their religious beliefs as fact), but I am strongly against censoring material that is important simply because they feel it doesn't hold up the "values" of the school.

Any religion has to understand that they can, and SHOULD have the right to be able to offer their point of view as an option. But it has to be entered into as an informed choice without withholding comprehensive info on subjects. If someone wishes to choose a value based system based on religion, then that's fine as LONG as they are given all the options to use their judgement. I'll still think they are idiots in a general sense, but at least they had their choice.

[HemlockGrey]

Well, all I can say is that I want them to start up abstinence-only programs at my school. Might help my chances.

[Darth Wong]

One program technique has been to try to bolster students' self-esteem, based on the theory that self-confident teenagers would not have sex. Those programs, which sometimes do not even mention sex, have shown no effect, Pruitt said.

This is consistent with their worldview. They believe that righteous God-fearing people will never want to have sex outside the bonds of holy matrimony, so any teenager who has sex must be "weak".

Where does weakness come from? Well obviously, from low self-esteem. So improve their self-esteem, and they will be more confident, and when they are more confident, they will be stronger, and when they are stronger, they will be able to resist the evil temptation of sex.

Of course, this idiotic worldview completely ignores the possibility that they might want to engage in sex rather than wanting strength to avoid the evil Satanic temptations of the flesh.

[Lord Zentei]

One program technique has been to try to bolster students' self-esteem, based on the theory that self-confident teenagers would not have sex. Those programs, which sometimes do not even mention sex, have shown no effect, Pruitt said.

The bolded bit is what struck me as being most idiotic, and that is saying a lot. So: sex ed programs that don't mention sex don't work. Who would have thought it possible? On the other hand, kids who have gone through self esteem courses screw around more. To me, that suggests that these courses do work - as self esteem courses. Which is all well and good in and of itself... provided the kids also get adequate sex ed.

Teenagers screw and teenagers rebel. When you tell them not to screw, most of them will only attempt to laid with greater energy.

Aha, that's it! We must tell kids that they must have premarital sex, and make it out as some kind of heavy duty social obligation! "Do your part for the speces! Help maintain the population growth rate! Dont be a dead end!" That way they will rebel against authority and become celibate. I can't beleive no-one has thought of this before.

[Shinova]

The bolded bit is what struck me as being most idiotic, and that is saying a lot. So: sex ed programs that don't mention sex don't work. Who would have thought it possible?

Easiest way to make a problem disappear? Ignore and forget about it.

[Guy N. Cognito]

Aha, that's it! We must tell kids that they must have premarital sex, and make it out as some kind of heavy duty social obligation! "Do your part for the speces! Help maintain the population growth rate! Dont be a dead end!" That way they will rebel against authority and become celibate. I can't beleive no-one has thought of this before.

Start screaming at kids at an early age. 'Have you fucked a girl yet? What the hell is wrong with you!!! I was screwing women by the time I was <Insert inappropriate age here>. FUCK! YOU HAVE TO FUCK! OTHERWISE YOU AREN'T A MAN!!!'

Having that much importance on sex would cause so many issues and anxiety.

[Kuja]

That rug is looking awfully bulgy...

[Drooling Iguana]

Well quite clearly some people aren't thumping the Bible nearly as hard as they should be ... :)

Just drill a hole in it. Lubrication would be a must, as well.

[Illuminatus Primus]

I mean Christ, much of what makes neocons unique is that they are former New Leftists.

Our very own Axis Kast believes in a laundry list of generically "left" domestic issues like affirmative action, abortion rights, and secularism - things that fundie Republican wouldn't be caught dead spouting, but he is a SOLID neocon.

There are a lot of people on the left who the Neocon foreign policy agrees with, but it doesn't change the fact that most of the Neocons today in the Legislative and Executive branches are solidly in line with the Conservative social agenda.

Axis Kast is a nice example of those Neocons who support a liberal social agenda, but it doesn't matter enough for them to support the Democrats because they put their foreign policy agenda ahead of social issues.

I mean fuck, look at the reality of the situation. The Conservative Right is firmly behind the Neocon agenda, and they wouldn't be so firm of a base if the Neocons were preaching liberal social agendas. This might work for Neocons in Massachusetts, but it's not going to do squat in the South for voters who refuse to vote for anyone who is pro-choice. That's why the unholy alliance between Neocons and traditional Conservatives works so well, they don't care enough about social issues to bother oppossing their base and the rest of the GOP.

Furthermore, neocons are a relatively new phenomenoa compared to right-wing Christianity, which was active in different forms in the fucking '50's, for Christ's sake. No neocons then.

So? How does this dispute the fact that Neocons are firmly in bed with a conservative social agenda (even if it is merely to gain a solid base)?

It all means you're missing the point. What defines as neocon as distinct and what they all believe has nothing to do with conservative social agendas. That is not an intrinsic characteristic of neoconservative thought.