I think Dead Wrong would've been a better title.US row over Iraq army dismantling
The man who ran Iraq after the 2003 invasion, Paul Bremer, has insisted that President George W Bush approved plans to dismantle Iraq's army.
Mr Bremer released a series of letters to the New York Times detailing the need to take "robust" action against the toppled regime of Saddam Hussein.
But in a book published on Tuesday, Mr Bush says the agreed policy was to keep Iraq's army intact.
The disbanding is now widely seen as a mistake that fuelled Iraq's insurgency.
This episode is another example of a falling-out among senior administration officials about policy in Iraq, says the BBC News website's world affairs correspondent, Paul Reynolds.
In this case, the decision to disband the Iraqi army immediately after the invasion is now seen as a factor that contributed to the insurgency and nobody is keen to take authorship of it, our correspondent adds.
Letter exchange
In a letter dated 22 May 2003, Mr Bremer, the former head of the US-led civilian administration in Iraq, appears to propose the dismantling of the army to Mr Bush.
"We must make it clear to everyone that we mean business: that Saddam and the Baathists are finished," Mr Bremer wrote in the letter quoted in the New York Times.
"I will parallel this step [dismantling the Baath Party] with an even more robust measure dissolving Saddam's military and intelligence structures to emphasise that we mean business.
"We are seeing signs that the outlawed organisations are behind some of the street violence here."
The next day Mr Bush replies, according to a second letter published in the Times: "Your leadership is apparent. You have quickly made a positive and significant impact. You have my full support and confidence."
Mr Bremer provided the letters to the New York Times on Monday after reading extracts of Mr Bush's contribution to a new book.
"The policy was to keep the army intact; didn't happen," Mr Bush is quoted as saying in the book, Dead Certain: The Presidency of George Bush.
The book, by Robert Draper, is informed by six intimate conversations with the president.
Bush caught lying, again
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Bush caught lying, again
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Hwwops, the Great Leader admits his crony fucked up.
Bush would've been funny were he not the President of US and it's military commander.
Bush would've been funny were he not the President of US and it's military commander.
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So wait, is Bush lying here to cover his own arse, or are he and his underlings just incompetent (okay, incompetent in carrying out this particular plan)?
That's a serious question: when presented with that question about our Glorious Leader, both answers seem plausible.
Or is it neither? I could see Bush capable of the sort of self-deception necessary to honestly believe that they intended to do everything right, and consequently reject any history that included them intentionally doing anything that turned out to be a major mistake.
War is peace, after all.
That's a serious question: when presented with that question about our Glorious Leader, both answers seem plausible.
Or is it neither? I could see Bush capable of the sort of self-deception necessary to honestly believe that they intended to do everything right, and consequently reject any history that included them intentionally doing anything that turned out to be a major mistake.
War is peace, after all.
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Another indication that for these people, lying comes to them as naturally as breathing.
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Nice Golden Mean Fallacy you have there.gunslinger wrote:Just another day at the job for any politician.Patrick Degan wrote:Another indication that for these people, lying comes to them as naturally as breathing.
When ballots have fairly and constitutionally decided, there can be no successful appeal back to bullets.
—Abraham Lincoln
People pray so that God won't crush them like bugs.
—Dr. Gregory House
Oil an emergency?! It's about time, Brigadier, that the leaders of this planet of yours realised that to remain dependent upon a mineral slime simply doesn't make sense.
—The Doctor "Terror Of The Zygons" (1975)
—Abraham Lincoln
People pray so that God won't crush them like bugs.
—Dr. Gregory House
Oil an emergency?! It's about time, Brigadier, that the leaders of this planet of yours realised that to remain dependent upon a mineral slime simply doesn't make sense.
—The Doctor "Terror Of The Zygons" (1975)
Easy there, killer, He's a lil' one.Patrick Degan wrote:Nice Golden Mean Fallacy you have there.gunslinger wrote:Just another day at the job for any politician.Patrick Degan wrote:Another indication that for these people, lying comes to them as naturally as breathing.
At Any Rate, I'm almost to the point now that I see a thread title like "Bush lies again" and I think "Why is this news?" It just makes me feel like an impotent boob that I can do nothing but wait until 2009 to be rid of the fucking idiotic nitwit...and even then, thanks to the evil little lawn-troll, there may be a "big disaster" where he could just sieze total fucking ultimate power ala Pervez Musharraf (only without the military credibility) and declare elections a threat to the stability of the country.
Laugh now, while the law lets you.
