Have you forgotten propaganda

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2007-09-11 04:11pm

Well, I'm so frustrated right now I'm almost at a loss for words. I was driving around today getting some groceries (day off so me and wife will have a nice dinner and a bottle of wine) when Hannity came on the local news radio.

So he does his build up, pretty much what you'd expect, and then does a... what? Tribute? to September 11th. Only it's some country fucks song *Have you forgotten* . The lyrics are pretty much....those who talk bad about the war.....I tell them....'have you forgotten about that day'.....so forth and so on.

Durring this song, dip shit has audio clips of the actual events of September 11th.

I had to pull over and park I was shaking so badly with rage. You know what, Mr. Hannity and Mr Cowboy? I do remember. I remember those islamic fucks from Saudia Arabia who were part of a organization of Osama based out of Afganistan, who crashed those planes. I abso-fucking-lutely remember.

My question to you two gentlemen is; do you remember? And if you remember, why are you trying to do a bait and switch? Why is your show about all those damn Democrates who want to leave Iraq?

Why are you not talking about 'where the hell is Osama Bin Laden'? Why are you not talking about the failure to capture enemy number one after SIX fucking years.

All your energy seems funnled into defending this failed presidency from the repercussions of a missmanaged war that has absolutely nothing to do with what happened that September day six years ago.

Fuck you! You ideological propagandist assholes. Sit in your 'Freedom Concert' and stir up the masses of dumb fucks into believing that some how September 11th is directly connected to Bush's policy in Iraq. Saddam's gone, but some spector of Al Queda in Iraq is your worry when the king cock sucker himself, Laden, is still wandering around?

I ask you, all those sitting in that concert right now; Have you Forgotten?

The Spartan · Post by **The Spartan** » 2007-09-11 04:19pm

Yeah, I run into that kind of crap all the damn time. I wish I could tell you that you eventually get used to it and don't get angry every subsequent time you hear it, but that hasn't happened for me yet.

Hell, just reading your post raised my hackles.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2007-09-11 04:21pm

I've come to accept it. If you kill one REAL AMERICAN, these people will scream for the Death Penalty. If you kill three thousand New Yorkers, you are ignored.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2007-09-11 04:45pm

Have I forgotten? It's been six fucking years of me being reminded every 24 hours. I frankly don't give a shit anymore. Yes, it was a terrible day and we must avenge the people with an even bigger outrage, yadda, yadda.

The sooner we switch from this era to another through some historic moment, the better. More people die from diaorrhoea a day than 9/11. I think they've had their limelight and I'm just past caring when such an event is the sole platform of hawkish, greedy opportunism that has left the world more disjointed than before the catastrophe.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2007-09-11 04:46pm

Their logic works like this: global politics is incredibly simple. So simple that the entire world can be neatly divided into two groups:

Group A: The Righteous
Group B: The Wicked

This is directly cribbed from the Bible, which crystallizes all issues of morality and society into a simple divide of Good vs Evil, God vs Satan, Order vs Chaos. So for them, September 11 should make you remember "where you stand", ie- whether you belong to Group A or Group B and how strongly you support that group.

Once you accept all of these ridiculous premises, the logic actually becomes quite clear, and astoundingly simple: September 11 was a strike of Group B against Group A, and the real lesson of September 11 was not about any particular region, or movement, or policy: it was about the need for Group A to band together and destroy Group B. Anyone who does not join in this Holy Crusade is a traitor for that reason. Anyone who points out that Group B is actually not a monolithic group is just trying to confuse Group A and dilute its clarity of moral purpose. That's why it just rolls off their backs when you point out that Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11. It may not have had anything to do with 9/11, but Saddam Hussein was part of Group B, and so are all of the insurgents there now, regardless of how many of them we actually created ourselves. So we're destroying them, in full righteousness.

This kind of black and white pseudo-logic is how fundies think. That's why there's such a strong correlation between Bible thumpers (especially of the "fire and brimstone" variety) and war whores. That's why they honestly believe that September 11 should make everyone want to go to Iraq and stay there for as long as it takes to restore the honour of George W. Bush ... er, I mean ... America.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-09-11 05:47pm

Darth Wong wrote:That's why it just rolls off their backs when you point out that Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11. It may not have had anything to do with 9/11, but Saddam Hussein was part of Group B, and so are all of the insurgents there now,

My favorite fundy moron over on StarTrek.com tries to justify the "Iraq was behind 9/11" crap with "Saddam offered protection to the families of the terrorists". "They know their families will be taken care of so they aren't worried about blowing themselves up". To him, that constitutes hardcore participation in the attack and supports taking Saddam out. Never mind that if the terrorists were so concerned about their families, they wouldn't be blowing themselves up in the first place.

Of course this idiot also justifies the Iraq invasion saying "It will teach them a lesson; if they mess with America, they will be hurt." Standard bully mentality.

Flagg · Post by **Flagg** » 2007-09-11 05:52pm

Darth Servo wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:That's why it just rolls off their backs when you point out that Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11. It may not have had anything to do with 9/11, but Saddam Hussein was part of Group B, and so are all of the insurgents there now,
My favorite fundy moron over on StarTrek.com tries to justify the "Iraq was behind 9/11" crap with "Saddam offered protection to the families of the terrorists". "They know their families will be taken care of so they aren't worried about blowing themselves up". To him, that constitutes hardcore participation in the attack and supports taking Saddam out. Never mind that if the terrorists were so concerned about their families, they wouldn't be blowing themselves up in the first place.

Of course this idiot also justifies the Iraq invasion saying "It will teach them a lesson; if they mess with America, they will be hurt." Standard bully mentality.

Turn it around on him by saying that 9/11 taught us a lesson. If we mess with the Islamic world, we will get hurt. Then watch his head explode.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2007-09-11 05:56pm

Darth Servo wrote: My favorite fundy moron over on StarTrek.com tries to justify the "Iraq was behind 9/11" crap with "Saddam offered protection to the families of the terrorists". "They know their families will be taken care of so they aren't worried about blowing themselves up". To him, that constitutes hardcore participation in the attack and supports taking Saddam out. Never mind that if the terrorists were so concerned about their families, they wouldn't be blowing themselves up in the first place.

Of course this idiot also justifies the Iraq invasion saying "It will teach them a lesson; if they mess with America, they will be hurt." Standard bully mentality.

And because America helped finance Saddam, I guess it does mean the US helped orchestrate an attack on itself

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-09-11 06:03pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:And because America helped finance Saddam, I guess it does mean the US helped orchestrate an attack on itself

Oh, well, THAT will all be the fault of the Democrats. Seriously, this retard has his head jammed so far up his ass, he actually tries to blame the Democrats for getting us into Iraq in the first place. "The Democrats had control of congress at the beginning of the invasion. They should have voted against it if you liberals we so right about everything. They could have stopped it at the beginning but didn't."

Of course this lunatic also argues agaisnt the Dems with "They don't have a plan to get us out of Iraq" therefore in his mind, we should put the GOP back in power.

Seriously, this moron has a wall of ignorance that would make the Great wall of China look small and insignificant.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2007-09-11 06:18pm

It's amazing sometimes that despite all the news about how the intelligence turned out to be a dud, because they chose to cherry pick the evidence, people continue to insist and insist that Saddam had something to do with terrorism, had WMDs, and had this and had that, all contrary to the economic situation of Iraq, which by the time of the invasion, was quite simply in the doldrums.

What could Saddam achieve with these weapons beyond self-defence? Nothing. Of course, to some of these idiots, no nation has any right to defend itself against America, and its allies.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2007-09-11 06:20pm

The same percent believe that Saddam was involved in 9/11 believe Bush is doing a great job now, and probably believe alot of other outright lines. Let's not act surprised.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-09-11 06:34pm

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:It's amazing sometimes that despite all the news about how the intelligence turned out to be a dud,

Remember, thats all the "evil liberal media lying to us"

Post by **Coyote** » 2007-09-11 06:55pm

Darth Servo wrote:... blame the Democrats for getting us into Iraq in the first place. "The Democrats had control of congress at the beginning of the invasion. They should have voted against it if you liberals we so right about everything. They could have stopped it at the beginning but didn't."...

Does he remember that, when you trace it back, the reason we were involved in Iraq in the first place was because of the leftover 1991 Gulf War and the enforcement of the "no fly zone" and the official policy of regime change from when a certain other Republican was in the White House?

Post by **Gandalf** » 2007-09-11 07:50pm

So it's basically the Two Minutes Hate?

Flagg wrote:Turn it around on him by saying that 9/11 taught us a lesson. If we mess with the Islamic world, we will get hurt. Then watch his head explode.

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2007-09-11 08:00pm

I believe you are referring to the Darrel Worley song as seen here. Which just so you know, it was released back in 2003, link.

I dunno if you are upset by the song, or the fact that what's his name dubbed shit into it for propaganda sake or both, but I just wanted to clarify that the song was not new nor made for what you just said with the 9/11 clips to be dubbed into it.

You also gotta remember when that song was made, that ALOT of people were still buying the stuff that the present administration was saying.

All that being said, I don't recall any other songs Worley has released since then, maybe that is because that was when I stopped paying attention to him though.

Medic · Post by **Medic** » 2007-09-11 08:10pm

Why are you not talking about 'where the hell is Osama Bin Laden'? Why are you not talking about the failure to capture enemy number one after SIX fucking years.

Of all places, where is the outrage? On Fox News? The right-wing blogosphere? Where the flying fuck is it!? 6 years and an entire war tacked-on-the-side later and we can't put one man 6 feet under who, by the way, masterminded the whole reason we've spent the last 6 years in near-constant conflict.

To mention the obvious it might not be UBL, there's some reason to believe it could be a convincing fake even if the voice matches up.

That's only half the reason for outrage though since they're still using this video to drum up support for this struggle in Iraq and elsewhere -- but mainly in Iraq -- that as much now as in any point in the last 6 years is in dire need of clear definition, goals and objectives. But then maybe that's the point, since clearly-described, desirable outcomes kind of run contrary to this ridiculously incorporeal and intangible notion of a "long war."

Of all the words that can characterize the feeling of this, 9/11's 6th anniversary, "failure" seems the most apt.

Schuyler Colfax · Post by **Schuyler Colfax** » 2007-09-11 08:20pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:Have I forgotten? It's been six fucking years of me being reminded every 24 hours. I frankly don't give a shit anymore. Yes, it was a terrible day and we must avenge the people with an even bigger outrage, yadda, yadda.

The sooner we switch from this era to another through some historic moment, the better. More people die from diaorrhoea a day than 9/11. I think they've had their limelight and I'm just past caring when such an event is the sole platform of hawkish, greedy opportunism that has left the world more disjointed than before the catastrophe.

THANKYOU, I was trying to say that to someone today and it came out completely wrong.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2007-09-11 08:49pm

Why should people be outraged at not finding Bin laden in six years? Remember the Unabomber anyone? He was also just one man, he didn’t even move around, or have countless fanatical supporters who would hide him, or live in a foreign country, and yet it took eighteen freaking years.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2007-09-11 08:53pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:Why should people be outraged at not finding Bin laden in six years? Remember the Unabomber anyone? He was also just one man, he didn’t even move around, or have countless fanatical supporters who would hide him, or live in a foreign country, and yet it took eighteen freaking years.

It's not the failure to catch him. It's the failure to even try. It's the casual dismissal of the idea of chasing him.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2007-09-11 08:54pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:Why should people be outraged at not finding Bin laden in six years? Remember the Unabomber anyone? He was also just one man, he didn’t even move around, or have countless fanatical supporters who would hide him, or live in a foreign country, and yet it took eighteen freaking years.

Why wouldn't we be outraged when all this manpower, money and spilt blood has been put into...something other than finding the asshole?

If the FBI had promised to catch the Unabomber and then put in billions of dollars and thousands of agents into finding the Midnight Bomber who Bombs at Midnight, I think people should have and would be outraged.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2007-09-11 10:00pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:Why should people be outraged at not finding Bin laden in six years? Remember the Unabomber anyone? He was also just one man, he didn’t even move around, or have countless fanatical supporters who would hide him, or live in a foreign country, and yet it took eighteen freaking years.

You're right. We should have invaded Iraq to punish the Unabomber.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2007-09-11 10:49pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:Why should people be outraged at not finding Bin laden in six years? Remember the Unabomber anyone? He was also just one man, he didn’t even move around, or have countless fanatical supporters who would hide him, or live in a foreign country, and yet it took eighteen freaking years.

Maybe it's because the Unabomber never managed to organise a gang to fly airplanes into buildings and kill three thousand people in one day. Probably because running Bin Laden down was supposed to be one of the main objects of the Afgan War and worse that it seems we almost had him at Tora Bora but let him waltz his way out. And also the aforementioned neglect of even the slightest effort to find him at all in six years.

He's just not that important.
—George W. Bush, February 2002.