The US has supplied 1,368,000 Virgins since 2003.

[Darth Wong]

Yeah, I suppose you have a much better and more effective solution up your ass.

Doing nothing would be more effective than your idiot proposal, dumbshit.

I suppose, if you mean avoiding the war altogether. But this much is obvious.

No, I mean that even total neglect at this point would be better than your idiot plan of simply mistreating the local population until the insurgency ends. Or have you forgotten that your brilliant idea was to ignore the question of whether you are antagonizing the local population?

If they're dumb enough to think that we're evil for killing off insurgents,

Not to mention thousands of civilians and illegally occupying their country ...

what the hell makes you think they would have gone along with other plans anyways?

The only plan that would have kept Iraq stable was Saddam Hussein's plan. At this point, war apologists think you can stop a civil war over sectarian hostilities whose roots date back hundreds of years, if you can just keep them off each others' throats for a few more months. That's just war apologist bullshit. Yes, the country will slide into civil war when we leave. But this outcome was made inevitable at the start of the war, and all you can do now is postpone it.

Did you know that more than a million Indians and Pakistanis died in the ensuing slaughters after the British pulled out in 1947? And how long were they there? A century? If you think this powder-keg will just quietly go away if you hang around there for a few more months, you're living in fantasy-land.

[Howedar]

Glad you feel that way, kid. Of course your post is crystal clear and mine is mud, even though we both misunderstand what the other wrote.

Actually, you misunderstanding my attempted translation is entirely consistent. My mistake was not translating into your native language, unfortunately I'm only fluent in English so I did the best I could.

Apparently you're too fucking dense to see the point, which is that since both of us misunderstood the other, neither of us can draw a conclusion about which of us was more clear.

[Pablo Sanchez]

Spyder also reads the post and ascertains my exact intended meaning. Why can't you?

Oh, wait, it turns out that you're wrong about this, too.

But as long as we're on the subject, let's please get caught up in some jerkoff debate over whether Spyder's post was clearer than yours or not. At this point I'm not sure whether you're pretending to be retarded to try and cover your ass for making an idiotic statement in that first post, or if you legitimately are retarded and have been spending this whole time seriously arguing that me, Mike, and Spyder can't read.

Believe me Pablo, I'm towering in fear of your intellectual light.

No, don't even bother to address my point. It doesn't make any sense to demand that people evaluate your posts on the basis of your previously expressed opinions, because
A) You should use the English fucking language to express yourself in such a way as to be understood not only by people who are experts in divining meaning from Howedar Scribbles, and
B) Nobody cares what your opinion is.

If you had better comments, expressed original thoughts, or even were just batshit insane, I might give a shit about what you've said in the past. But you've got nothing.

Just to cover the bases, I actually did a search of your posting history to see what I was supposed to know about you. Glancing at your last one hundred posts or so, I found that the overwhelming majority were under five or six lines in length, and a great many really were just one sentence long. Also I found that this is the second time this week that you've shit all over a thread in just this way. Oh, lordy me, I can't believe I didn't take the time to get to know a one-liner spewing nitpick machine. They're so rare in this day and age.

So what I found out about you from your posting history is that you're a fucking waste of my time. But I already knew that. Thanks for sucking another ten minutes out of me, you sanctimonious turd.

[Howedar]

Boy, you sure showed me! How could I possibly expect people to try to clarify a point instead of immediately flipping out? You can't get the first quotable flame in if you wait to clarify.

Would you like a fucking medal or something, for being the genesis of this particular batch of me-too's? I bet you'd be able to find a lovely job in the American media.

[Spyder]

Glad you feel that way, kid. Of course your post is crystal clear and mine is mud, even though we both misunderstand what the other wrote.

Actually, you misunderstanding my attempted translation is entirely consistent. My mistake was not translating into your native language, unfortunately I'm only fluent in English so I did the best I could.

Apparently you're too fucking dense to see the point,

Now that would just be ironic.

which is that since both of us misunderstood the other, neither of us can draw a conclusion about which of us was more clear.

The point was that it was not immediately obvious what you meant when you wrote "insurgent," you'll have to note that my translation of your moonspeak was limited to my ability to rationalise your moonspeak. As your moonspeak didn't make any sense to me and everyone except for IP came away with the exact opposite message you were trying to convey, we can conclude that firstly an attempted translation is still going to be missing elements that were neglected in the original moonspeak. The best that could be accomplished was to point out where the information was missing or at least not obvious, which was done. Secondly, while using your own inability to understand my statement as evidence that I may also suck is an interesting tangent that would be meaningful were you not the only person that had a problem with that statement as written, there is still plenty of evidence to conclude that you still suck.

[Howedar]

All I got out of that second paragraph was "other people misinterpreted your post and nobody misinterpreted mine" (possibly because nobody else responded to you, but you forgot to mention that). Did you take lessons at the Darkstar School of Brevity?

[Spyder]

You're right about one thing, I can't prove that my post hasn't been misinterpreted. I can however prove that yours was, multiple times infact, I can also rationalise misinterpretations that may crop up from what I posted, which I did in that last paragraph where you only got "other people misinterpreted your post and nobody misinterpreted mine."

But alas, this is getting more then a little pointless, what do you say we call it a day? Huh, Darkstar Kiddo?

[Darth Wong]

Boy, you sure showed me! How could I possibly expect people to try to clarify a point instead of immediately flipping out? You can't get the first quotable flame in if you wait to clarify.

Would you like a fucking medal or something, for being the genesis of this particular batch of me-too's? I bet you'd be able to find a lovely job in the American media.

Jesus fucking Christ, let it go. You made a post that apparently didn't give the impression you thought it should. It wouldn't be that embarrassing except that you're now dragging it out into some kind of fucking soap opera. Would you like to appeal this to the Supreme Court?

[Howedar]

No, you're absolutely right. I've always been frustrated by the facet of this board's culture that suggests that one should try to "win" debates. That's something that bothered me enough that, when I noticed it growing on me, I took a pretty lengthy sabbatical from the board.

That trying-to-"win"-debates thing is back in my personality, and I don't want it. It is to be gone, and it will be gone completely. I'm going to disappear again, and I'm going to scramble my password before I leave so I don't make the same mistake twice.

And that's my fifteen seconds on the soapbox. Thanks Mike, it's been a fun five (!) years.

[MKSheppard]

Of all the things to leave SDN over, doing it over College Football (!) is the most goddamned pointless.

[Darth Wong]

I honestly don't know why he believes that he can eliminate his competitive male instinct by avoiding this web board. Does he believe that SDN creates that impulse? All we do is create an environment where people aren't bottled up, and that's one of the things that bubbles to the surface. But it's part of human nature and the nature of males in particular. Thinking you can escape it, or eliminate it from your personality, is just silly. All you can do is bottle it up by avoiding places where the rules are lax and people argue with each other.

I think Howedar is being quite unrealistic here. Why run away from your own nature? If you can handle rush-hour traffic in Toronto without going apeshit on somebody, you should be able to handle getting into a bad debate without hard feelings. It's not a matter of eliminating that part of your character, but learning to live with it.

[MKSheppard]

Thinking you can escape it, or eliminate it from your personality, is just silly

I have an admission to make..........

Everyone on SDN is a shitcock. You are all shitcocks. I'm surrounded by shitcocks!

There, I finally got it off my chest!

[Xisiqomelir]

One "good-bye forever" post and 5 pages.

A+ work shep

[Darth Wong]

Thinking you can escape it, or eliminate it from your personality, is just silly

I have an admission to make..........

Everyone on SDN is a shitcock. You are all shitcocks. I'm surrounded by shitcocks!

There, I finally got it off my chest!

Well, I never really tried to hide my fascination with anal sex, so I suppose you can call me a shitcock if you like

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

Thinking you can escape it, or eliminate it from your personality, is just silly

I have an admission to make..........

Everyone on SDN is a shitcock. You are all shitcocks. I'm surrounded by shitcocks!

There, I finally got it off my chest!

Well, I never really tried to hide my fascination with anal sex, so I suppose you can call me a shitcock if you like

DAMN if I had a sig! Stupid Chitoryu for spamming and stupid me for vigilante-counterspamming!

[MKSheppard]

Well, I never really tried to hide my fascination with anal sex, so I suppose you can call me a shitcock if you like

Ew, not that!

I refer to the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory:

[MKSheppard]

One "good-bye forever" post and 5 pages.

A+ work shep

Does this count towards my "Supermod" Doctoral Dissertation?

[CaptainChewbacca]

I gotta say, its really unsettling when Mike and Shep joke good-naturedly. Like cats swimming or like flying a kite at night.

[Darth Wong]

The Mike/Shep paradox is one of the great puzzles of existence.

[Spyder]

The Mike/Shep paradox is one of the great puzzles of existence.

Not really, as far as ruthless genocidal warmongers go Shep's reasonably honest and consistent.

[Sea Skimmer]

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The only plan that would have kept Iraq stable was Saddam Hussein's plan. At this point, war apologists think you can stop a civil war over sectarian hostilities whose roots date back hundreds of years, if you can just keep them off each others' throats for a few more months. That's just war apologist bullshit. Yes, the country will slide into civil war when we leave. But this outcome was made inevitable at the start of the war, and all you can do now is postpone it.

Did you know that more than a million Indians and Pakistanis died in the ensuing slaughters after the British pulled out in 1947? And how long were they there? A century? If you think this powder-keg will just quietly go away if you hang around there for a few more months, you're living in fantasy-land.

Yes, and the British (by way of the East India Company) had been the dominate military power on the subcontinent since 1757.

The dieing started well before the pullout, at one point in 1943 the British had to employ the equivalent of four army corps just to restore order along the railways. But the key thing is, they killed quick, and then settled down and formed a pair of stable nations which have gone on to wage reasonably conventional wars. It’s going to be very lucky for everyone if Iraq can manage even that. Unfortunately, the only way that’s likely to happen is if all the sectarian militias become even more organized and effective at killing, leading to a more of a conventional civil war.