[Cheney Impeachment Bill] Suddenly Life Gets Interesting

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

House to Vote on Cheney Impeachment

House Resolution 333, the impeachment of Dick Cheney for High Crimes and Misdemeanors will be brought to the House floor by Congressman Dennis Kucinich as a privilege vote on Tuesday, Nov. 6th. American Research Group Poll says 54 percent of Americans favor the impeachment of Cheney and the National Lawyer’s Guild passed a Resolution for Impeachment on Friday, Nov. 2nd, giving further support for the impeachment proceedings.

Ruh Roh...

[Ayrix]

Ill be first to say this seems VERY interesting indeed, but is there any real chance this will get passed at all?

[Shinova]

GOP will probably fight to the death, and several Dems will probably join in to keep from being seen as too liberal or because they don't want to shake up the system too much.


Or goodness prevails and the war-mongering bastard gets kicked out.

[phongn]

Ill be first to say this seems VERY interesting indeed, but is there any real chance this will get passed at all?

Highly unlikely.

[Guardsman Bass]

Are you sure? Cheney isn't like the Republican base's precious shrubby, and it would be easy to make a scapegoat of him, to pin all of the unconstitutional bullshit conducted by the administration on him (a lot of which is probably true as well).

[Battlehymn Republic]

Sounds pretty symbolic to me. Just like that draft bill.

[Durandal]

It's being introduced by Dennis Kucinich, so I don't know why anyone expects anything.

[Nephtys]

It's going nowhere. It'll also get vetoed. Sucks.

*yawn*

[Flagg]

It's going nowhere. It'll also get vetoed. Sucks.

*yawn*

The President can't veto a resolution for impeachment.

[Sea Skimmer]

Are you sure? Cheney isn't like the Republican base's precious shrubby, and it would be easy to make a scapegoat of him, to pin all of the unconstitutional bullshit conducted by the administration on him (a lot of which is probably true as well).

That would mean admitting something, anything, was wrong, and that’s 100% unacceptable for the administration. It would be a massive blow to Bush any way you spin it anyway; and he would certainly be impeached right after Cheney, if Cheney’s impeachment was successful. The odds of that however are about as good as my ability to build a nuclear reactor out of smoke detectors. ON THE MOON!!!!!

Seriously, if they can’t get a two thirds vote for children’s healthcare, they sure as shit cant get it for this. The Dems know it, and so most of them will want no part of it.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Well, if they drag out all the nonsense for all to see, it will still be something.

Or not. Sigh...

[Sea Skimmer]

Even if the impeachment got so far that evidence was actually being presented, it would probably be stretched out over 200-300 days, which the public would simply be incapable of paying attention to in any detail.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Even if the impeachment got so far that evidence was actually being presented, it would probably be stretched out over 200-300 days, which the public would simply be incapable of paying attention to in any detail.

Sadly, the attention span of the public will be torn between the presidential race and the ... kangaroo court. Likely, they will just switch off their television sets at that rate.

[Napoleon the Clown]

It's going nowhere. It'll also get vetoed. Sucks.

*yawn*

The President can't veto a resolution for impeachment.

Since when have technicalities stopped Bush from ignoring or overriding things that he finds inconvenient?



In any event, I doubt anything will come of it.

[Temjin]

Since when have technicalities stopped Bush from ignoring or overriding things that he finds inconvenient?

Now, I hate Bush just as much as the next guy, but come on. He could bluster about it all he wanted, but he couldn't do fuck all about it no matter what he tries to do.

[SirNitram]

Since when have technicalities stopped Bush from ignoring or overriding things that he finds inconvenient?

Now, I hate Bush just as much as the next guy, but come on. He could bluster about it all he wanted, but he couldn't do fuck all about it no matter what he tries to do.

Don't be a fool. He'll do what he did with SCHIP and the resolution against MoveOn.Org.

He'd tell the House Republicans this is a test of loyalty. I fight to avoid adding, 'Comrade' to the end of that.

[Sidewinder]

Hopefully, Cheney will be forced to spend the money he earned from Halliburton and its bribes by hiring good lawyers or bribing other congressmen and women to avoid impeachment-- few things shout, "Loser!" louder than bankrupcy.

[SirNitram]

Didn't see that coming: Republicans got together and put together enough votes to prevent a motion to table it. There's now a motion to send it to a committee, another way for it to die stillborn, so it's not like it's through yet. But quite surprising.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

Kuch plans to take aim at Bush, too

Kucinich not stopping with Cheney, plans Bush impeachment resolution too
Jason Rhyne
Published: Tuesday November 6, 2007

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(Update at bottom: House Republicans vote against Democratic-led motion to end debate on impeachment measure)

Presidential hopeful Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), who brought an impeachment resolution against Vice President Dick Cheney to the House floor on Tuesday, says he is also planning a similar resolution to impeach President Bush.

The news came during a conference call Kucinich held with supporters Monday evening, although technical problems kept most on the call from being able to hear the congressman.

But activist David Swanson, who spoke directly with Kucinich during the call, summarized the contents of his conversation in an email:

"He is going to introduce a privileged resolution on the floor of the U.S. House Tuesday morning to force a vote on his resolution to impeach Cheney," confirmed Swamson. "While that bill includes offenses related to Iraq and Iran, Kucinich plans to focus his remarks on Iran and the fact that the current Pentagon bill includes funding to retrofit bombers to carry 15-ton bombs."

Concerning the possible resolution against Bush, Swanson said Kucinich "wanted to let everyone know that he will not only continue pushing for the impeachment of Cheney but will also take up the impeachment of Bush with a new resolution."

It's unclear as to when such a resolution would brought to the floor, or how dependent its introduction would be on the success of today's move against Cheney. The former Cleveland mayor will hold a press conference today at 3:00 p.m.

Swanson added that Kucinich was prepared for a debate on the substance of the charges against Cheney, but also mentioned the measure could be tabled --a move that effectively kills a pending matter by ending debate -- or sent to committee. If the latter option happens, the committee in question will be the House Judiciary.

The Kucinich campaign's website states that the technical problems with the conference call were because "public interest in the issue exceeded technological capacity." The call will be rescheduled.

Kucinich's "privileged resolution" on the Cheney matter is a maneuver which will require a vote from all House members -- and allows him to act in spite of protestations from Democratic leaders, who don't want a vote to come to the floor, according to Politico's Ryan Grim.

According to The Hill newspaper, Kucinich's idea -- which would put legislators on the record about Cheney's impeachment -- is making some Democrats uneasy.

"If he pulls it off, it could make for an uncomfortable situation for Democratic leaders and centrist Democrats," The Hill's Mike Soraghan writes of Kucinich's plan. "Liberal activists are pushing for impeachment, while leaders worry such a move could turn off independent voters. They have made it clear that impeachment of Cheney or President Bush is off the table."

Democrats might be tempted to opt to send the resolution to committee, according to Soraghan, who says that such a move "avoids an immediate floor vote and might be the most appealing option to the Democratic leadership."

Despite its apparent unpopularity among Democratic legislators, the Kucinich proposal is not necessarily out of line with American public opinion: a July poll from American Research Group found that 54% of those surveyed favored the "US House of Representatives beginning impeachment proceedings against Vice President Dick Cheney."

“Congress must hold the Vice President accountable," Kucinich said in a statement last week. "The American people need to let Members of Congress know how they feel about this. The Vice President continues to use his office to advocate for a continued occupation of Iraq and prod our nation into a belligerent stance against Iran. If the Vice President is successful, his actions will ensure decades of disastrous consequences.”
House Republicans vote against Democratic-led move to table Cheney impeachment measure

In an unexpected move, Republicans in the House of Representatives on Tuesday voted against a measure to table debate on an impeachment measure brought by Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH).

The motion had been brought by House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD), who sought to effectively kill the resolution.

"Impeachment is not on the agenda," Rep. Hoyer had told Fox News earlier."We have some major priorities. We need to focus on those."

Although the roll call vote had initially appeared to favor Hoyer's motion to table, Congressional Quarterly's Ed Epstein told CSPAN that Republicans had switched their votes at the last minute in an attempt to embarrass the Democratic leadership, who is not keen on seeing further action on the impeachment resolution.

The final vote count on the measure was 251-162. Another vote is now underway to determine whether the resolution should be forwarded to the House Judiciary Committee.

Developing...

GET 'EM KUCH!! MAKE THE BASTARDS PAY!

[Elfdart]

What are high crimes compared to Hillary's laugh, her husband's pecker, Edwards' haircut, Obama's name and Kucinich being a vegan? Our media know what's important, not Dick Vader's atrocities.

By the way, anyone seen Mrs Kucinich? If he won, she'd be a FLILF!

[SirNitram]

Hoyer, intent on avoiding anything that might make the media call him names, has sent this to the Judiciary Committees table, in the hopes it dies.

[CaptainChewbacca]

By the way, anyone seen Mrs Kucinich? If he won, she'd be a FLILF!

Pics, or it didn't happen. They must be newlyweds, he was single last election, I thoguht.

[Bounty]

By the way, anyone seen Mrs Kucinich? If he won, she'd be a FLILF!

Pics, or it didn't happen. They must be newlyweds, he was single last election, I thoguht.

Married in August '05.

[Elfdart]

Didn't see that coming: Republicans got together and put together enough votes to prevent a motion to table it. There's now a motion to send it to a committee, another way for it to die stillborn, so it's not like it's through yet. But quite surprising.

Like every schoolyard bully, the Republitards recognize wimps when they see them. Which is why it would be that much better if the Judiciary Committee did vote to recommend impeachment. Maybe if they got some encouragement from constituents, they would do the right thing. Here's where interested parties can find out:

http://judiciary.house.gov/CommitteeMembership.aspx