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And from your own goverment! One wonders how much longer it will be before that Florida town that banned Satan from entering the city limits is on top! You've already lost the global empire and the navy, what’s next? Standardization of electrical plugs!!?
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By Tom Geoghegan
BBC News Magazine


An exhibition at the Law Society highlights unusual pieces of legislation which remain on the statute book. Why have they survived, when they appear so at odds with modern life?
Think Asbos are draconian? Consider the Victorian equivalent.
Hanging washing in the street, beating a carpet and flying a kite are set out in the Town Police Clauses Act, 1847, (chapter 89, section 28) as punishable by a £1,000 fine.
But don't be thankful time has moved on because, in legal terms, it hasn't.
This law, created to harmonise life for the millions of new city-dwellers living cheek by jowl, is still on the statute book. Its fine has recently been converted into modern money and it is still applicable in those areas designated under the act.
DON'T DO THE FOLLOWING...
Wear armour to Parliament (Royal Prerogative 1279)
Fire a cannon close to a dwelling house (Met Police Act 1839)
Bet or gamble in the library reading room (Library Offences Act 1898)
Use any slide upon ice or snow (Town Police Clauses Act 1847)
Drive cattle through the streets of London (Metropolitan Streets Act 1867)
A new display at the Law Society library comprises this and seven other pieces of odd but existing legislation. It includes the Licensing Act 1872, which says being drunk in charge of a horse, cow or steam engine incurs a £200 fine and possibly jail for up to 51 weeks.
The library's resources manager Catherine Pease, who organised the exhibition, says it shows how far the lawmaking process goes back, with acts from the 13th and 14th centuries included.
In total there are more than 4,000 Public and General Acts, 11,000 Local Acts and 13,000 Private Acts dated before 1801 which are still on the statute books.
AND CERTAINLY DON'T...
Shoot a Welshman with a crossbow within the city of Chester after sunset - this urban myth may be rooted in a local byelaw but it won't afford you any legal protection
The eight on display have survived the ongoing cull of obsolete laws by the statute law revision team, which has abolished 2,000 since 1965. It consults interest groups before its proposals for repeal are put to the Lord Chancellor and eventually the House of Lords.
Among those abolished in the last round was the Small Holdings Colonies Act 1916, which gave ex-servicemen their own land but later fell into disuse because ex-servicemen no longer had the required agricultural skills. The Airports Act 1986, which privatised the airport industry, is also no more.
It's our job to do the housekeeping, combing through the statute book for material which shouldn't be there anymore
John Saunders
Statute law revision team
As well as shedding light on the UK's economic, social and political life, this constant renewal of legislation saves time and money, says John Saunders, who heads the statute law revision team.
"Parliament passes a law to deal with a current situation and when that situation no longer applies, the law should cease to apply as well," he says.
"But it often remains and it's our job to do the housekeeping, combing through the statute book for material which shouldn't be there anymore.
"Until we actually get rid of it, people see it there and think it must mean something, which can be misleading for lawyers."
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The ones that survive either serve some purpose or to repeal them would be too controversial, like the Easter Act 1928, which deems that Easter Sunday should be fixed as the first Sunday after the second Saturday in April. But to enforce it would require agreement with Christian churches around the world.
Like many acts passed by Parliament, it doesn't come into force until a commencement act is made by a minister, so it sits on the statute book in a "ghost form", he says.
The potential abuse of obsolete laws was highlighted by Shakespeare in Measure for Measure, when Vienna's temporary leader Angelo ordered that men who seduce women before marriage be arrested.
More recently, in the UK, the government considered, but rejected, a plan that radical Muslim clerics be prosecuted under an ancient treason law, originally enshrined in 1351.
But others have been resurrected, like the Royal Prerogative passed in 1324 which states that whales and sturgeon caught or washed up on British coastline be offered to the Crown.
In 2004, fisherman Robert Davies was investigated by police in Plymouth after selling a sturgeon caught in Swansea Bay. He had faxed the Master of the Royal Household and was told to keep the fish but was unaware it was still illegal to sell. He was not prosecuted and Stan the sturgeon ended up in the Natural History Museum.
So could one neighbour report another for carpet-beating?
"You would need a brass neck to do it and probably could bring your own private prosecution," says Mr Saunders. "But the reality is that laws against low-level criminal activity, like Asbos, there's some common sense behind them.
"Like ringing doorbells at night - it's not the kind of thing you want your neighbour to be doing. So although it's in rather anachronistic language, it's the kind of thing it's difficult to make a case for repealing."
Human rights
A malicious prosecution wouldn't succeed anyway, says Joshua Rozenberg, legal editor of the Daily Telegraph.
"The main safeguard is the Human Rights Act and other legislation usually has to be read in light of it, unless there's a conflict between the two and that's resolved by Parliament.
"The other way is that a prosecution, including a private one, can be stopped by the DPP and if someone were using this law maliciously or vexatiously, or even if they got a summons issued, it could be blocked.
Grievous bodily harm is a phrase you hear so often you think you know what it means
Joshua Rozenberg
"Therefore in practice there's little risk of it and the only reason these laws have survived the statute law revision team is that they've not been causing any harm."
Anyway, it's not the obsolete ones we should be worrying about, he says, it's the ancient laws which are used every day but need reform, like the archaic language of the Offences Against a Persons Act 1861.
Although the Law Commission wants to modernise the act's language, like "grievous bodily harm", there isn't parliamentary time, he says.
Ironically, some of that time is spent passing new acts, at a pace of about 40 to 50 every year. And for some of the laws of tomorrow, time on the statute books could be short.
Non-solicitors who want to visit the Law Society display should ring 020 7316 5724 or email lib-enq@lawsociety.org.uk to book.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/u ... 619942.stm

Published: 2006/01/17 12:12:00 GMT

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UK chooses 'most ludicrous laws'
Legislation said to prohibit people dying while in the Houses of Parliament has been voted one of the most ludicrous laws in the UK.
Treason laws which reportedly could be used against someone who places a stamp upside down on a letter were also cited by those polled by UKTV Gold.
Nearly 4,000 people picked laws on a list compiled by UKTV Gold researchers.
It examined laws that have never been repealed even though statutes could have rendered them obsolete.
A UKTV Gold spokeswoman said many of the regulations were referenced in the book The Strange Laws of Old England by Nigel Cawthorne.
A total of 27% of those questioned by UKTV Gold thought the law against dying in the Houses of Parliament was the most absurd.
Mr Cawthorne told the Daily Telegraph newspaper that anyone who dies in Parliament is technically entitled to a state funeral and the law is in place to ensure this does not happen.
However, a spokesman for the House of Commons said: "The people who know about these things here say there is no basis for such a law, not to say it does not exist somewhere in writing."
Cannon firing
Other lesser-known laws making the list included one banning eating mince pies on Christmas Day and another from 1313 stating it is illegal to enter the Houses of Parliament wearing a suit of armour.
Almost half of those asked confessed to breaking the mince pie law, which was brought in by Oliver Cromwell in the 17th Century.
Last year, the Law Society last year highlighted a number of bizarre laws still in existence on the statute book in England and Wales.
These included a ban on firing a cannon close to a dwelling house (Met Police Act 1839); a ban on the use of any slide upon ice or snow (Town Police Clauses Act 1847); and the prohibition of driving cattle through the streets of London (Metropolitan Streets Act 1867).
An ongoing cull of obsolete laws by the statute law revision team, has seen 2,000 abolished since 1965.
Dead whales
Among the most ridiculous laws listed by UKTV Gold were:
• It is illegal to die in the Houses of Parliament (27%)
• It could be regarded an act of treason to place a postage stamp bearing the British king or queen's image upside-down (7%)
• Eating mince pies on Christmas Day is banned (5%)
• In the UK, a pregnant woman can legally relieve herself anywhere she wants (4%)
• The head of any dead whale found on the British coast automatically becomes the property of the King, and the tail of the Queen (3.5%)
• It is illegal not to tell the tax man anything you do not want him to know, but legal not to tell him information you do not mind him knowing (3%)
• It is illegal to enter the Houses of Parliament wearing a suit of armour (3%)
* This is an amended version of an earlier story which included several examples of laws from the survey which we have been unable to verify, and these have been removed.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/u ... 081038.stm

Published: 2007/11/07 14:26:53 GMT

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Oddly enough - or not, he might have been paying attention here - my US History teacher brought these up in class.

First was "Illegal to die in Parliament (he said the House of Commons)", so of course when he told us about "Legal for a pregnant woman to relieve herself anywhere" I simply had to ask, "Even in the House of Commons?"
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WTF???
• The head of any dead whale found on the British coast automatically becomes the property of the King, and the tail of the Queen
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• It is illegal to die in the Houses of Parliament (27%)
It'd be interesting to see that law actually carried out; would they just fine the dead person's family or something?
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All it means is that if some expires in Parliament, they get chucked out in the road (or an ambulance, one of the two), which is then used as the location of death on the death certificate.

Your just not allowed to die in royal palaces, heh
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Enigma wrote:WTF???
• The head of any dead whale found on the British coast automatically becomes the property of the King, and the tail of the Queen
To be honest, when I read that I thought "The tail of the Queen what?"
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Speaking of screwball laws on the books, here's one. Up until 10 or 15 years ago, in the US State of Utah 10 or more Native Americans in one place were considered a raiding party and were subject to summary execution.
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That one wasn't left in because of an oversight though.
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Molyneux wrote:
Enigma wrote:WTF???
• The head of any dead whale found on the British coast automatically becomes the property of the King, and the tail of the Queen
To be honest, when I read that I thought "The tail of the Queen what?"
Presumably the head of the whale is considered the king's property because the forehead contains quite a bit of oil (thus why we whaled for sperm whales).

I have no clue what the tail contains. Maybe it's for symmetry. How does one tell where a whale's head ends anyhow? It's all neck.
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MRDOD wrote:
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Enigma wrote:WTF???
To be honest, when I read that I thought "The tail of the Queen what?"
Presumably the head of the whale is considered the king's property because the forehead contains quite a bit of oil (thus why we whaled for sperm whales).

I have no clue what the tail contains. Maybe it's for symmetry. How does one tell where a whale's head ends anyhow? It's all neck.
No, I meant that the first time I read the sentence I thought that it was referring to the Queen's literal, physical tail.

...come to think of it, has Great Britain ever had a queen with a tail?
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Col. Crackpot wrote:Speaking of screwball laws on the books, here's one. Up until 10 or 15 years ago, in the US State of Utah 10 or more Native Americans in one place were considered a raiding party and were subject to summary execution.
I think my favorite Pennsylvania law states that 16 or more women living in a residence automatically constitutes a brothel.

And Pittsburgh still has laws that state when, specifically, you are allowed to drive livestock down Forbes and Fifth Avenue.
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...come to think of it, has Great Britain ever had a queen with a tail?
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