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Discombobulated wrote:Statistically insignificant? The Rape and Incest National Network says that 1 in 6 American women have been victims of sexual assault. That doesn't mean 1 in 6 men are rapists, but the group of men that are rapists is not statistically insignificant.
I just checked the website you mentioned, and it only lists rapes reported. It doesn't actually say how many were successfully prosecuted, so I'd be curious to see how many of those charges were actually dropped or otherwise not followed through.
That's on the site, too. If the rape is reported, there's only a 50.8% chance that an arrest will be made (I'm not sure why). Of those, 80% result in a prosecution, and 58% of those prosecuted end up in a felony conviction. By the end of it, there's only a 23.6% chance that a rape reported to the police will end up in a felony conviction, and only about two-thirds of those convicted go to jail, which I find completely incomprehensible.

I suppose in a world where there was a DNA database, it's the 58% number (percent of prosecuted cases which result in a conviction) that would increase.
Some ridiculously high proportion of rapes involve two people who are or were recently in a sexual relationship - at least 40%, and only in about 2 or 3% is the rapist a total stranger. It's thus often very difficult to prove that the sex was not consensual.

There is also unfortunately a phenomenon of women making - for one reason or another - false claims of rape, which they later recant (this would presumably be something to do with the low arrest rate) - different research has put the figure anywhere between 2% and 50%.

The conviction rate in the UK - as a proportion of the total claims made - is about 6%.
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There is also unfortunately a phenomenon of women making - for one reason or another - false claims of rape, which they later recant (this would presumably be something to do with the low arrest rate) - different research has put the figure anywhere between 2% and 50%.
Probably depends on how the researchers define "recant" if it is "dropped charges" then probably closer to 50%

Hell there are so many things you need to rule out like "being intimidated by friends and family of the accused" and "being convinced it was not rape because they were drunk at the time"
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And here I was under the impression that asking someone to prove a negative was fallacious. Where's the evidence that it would be any more effectively implemented than the national no-fly list has been for catching terrorists?
I've already presented it. Or have you simply ignored the cost estimates I have posted and the fact that a similar database already fucking exists and operates rather efficiently purely for the intellectual curiosity of molecular biologists*
At the same time the majority of murders, rapes and assaults are committed by people the victims knew. Eliminating the most probable suspects shouldn't require a massive database.
Actually, the way things are run now, a database search would speed things up. Considering how to get a DNA sample NOW requires that the police already be fairly certain of the guy's guilt.

I don't have a problem with the methods, but people get touchy over something as simple as a national ID. Expecting the populace to easily accept something involving their DNA is going to cause a lot of fear-mongering.
Social problem. I am not saying we implimment a nation-wide program today. Today I would be happy with an arrestee database. However in the future, and especially once genomes can be sequenced for less than a cent per base pair, the uses of such a database would outweigh the public outcry, and the cost for that matter.
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I would honestly have no problem living in a society where every single person's DNA was on record, including mine. What's the big deal? Is there somewhere in the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights where it says that there is a fundamental human right to keep your DNA secret?

I'm far more concerned about governments who take away things like the right to a fair trial, where DNA would become irrelevant, or which criminalize victimless crimes. If anything, the widespread use of DNA information makes for a more fair and just society, by greatly reducing the likelihood of false convictions and increasing the likelihood of nailing the right person in the event of a crime.
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Why would the State AG take a personal interest in your case?
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Illuminatus Primus wrote:Why would the State AG take a personal interest in your case?
Maybe he wasn't the state AG 8 years ago.
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Darth Wong wrote:I would honestly have no problem living in a society where every single person's DNA was on record, including mine. What's the big deal? Is there somewhere in the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights where it says that there is a fundamental human right to keep your DNA secret?
I'm not a big fan of it just because the cases where DNA is pivotal are pretty limited, though I'm not entirely opposed to the idea. I just don't want to live in Gattica.

A national fingerprint database would be far more useful, though I have certain issues with the number of points of comparison. But that could be worked out and improved upon as the software gets better.
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Illuminatus Primus wrote:Why would the State AG take a personal interest in your case?
Eight years ago, Doug Gansler was the Montgomery County AG - he was always a hard charging guy; and in retrospect it appears that part of his "hardass" act was to jump towards higher political office, namely State AG.
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Latest thing from O'Malley (sorry for spamming the thread; but I think people would like it better if there was just one thread for O'Malley's ideas instead of 3-4)

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State Officials Propose 2 Types of Driver's Licenses
Plan Would Distinguish Illegal, Legal Residents

By Lisa Rein
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Sunday, January 13, 2008; C01


The administration of Gov. Martin O'Malley (D) is drawing up plans to issue separate driver's licenses to undocumented immigrants and legal residents to comply with new federal security regulations, a proposal that could become a focus in the debate over illegal immigration in Maryland.

Top state officials began briefing lawmakers last week on a two-tiered licensing system similar to one that New York Gov. Eliot L. Spitzer (D) proposed last fall but was forced to scuttle after a political battle. New York does not allow illegal immigrants to get driver's licenses, and Spitzer wanted to change that.

Maryland is designing a plan for thousands of immigrants who have been receiving the same licenses as other drivers without having to prove that they are legally in the United States. Maryland is among eight states that allow illegal immigrants to get licenses.

Under a two-tier system, undocumented immigrants would have access to the license they can get now, which requires proof that they live in Maryland. But it could not be used to board airplanes, enter federal buildings or cross borders. A separate license would be issued to those who can show they are in the country legally. That would put the state into compliance with the federal Real ID security mandate, which is aimed at screening out potential terrorists and uncovering illegal immigrants.

Maryland officials say a two-tier system would address federal security concerns and help ensure highway safety, because undocumented motorists would have to get car insurance and pass a driving test.

"We ensure that Maryland motorists are licensed, and that enhances public safety," said Lt. Gov. Anthony G. Brown (D). "At the same time, Marylanders who have the highest form of identification can board airplanes and enter government buildings."

State Transportation Secretary John D. Porcari said the timing of Maryland's adoption of a new licensing system would depend on federal regulations issued Friday for implementing the Real ID program. Most states, including Maryland, have received extensions on a May deadline to have a plan in place.

Six states have refused to comply with Real ID, and legislatures in more than a dozen others have passed resolutions opposing it. Maryland officials said they have struggled to meet the mandate and balance the politics of immigration.

"We have a federal requirement," said Porcari, who recently briefed officials with the Department of Homeland Security on the licensing plan. "We know we have to comply with it. We intend to."

Porcari said some legal U.S. residents might opt not to get the license that would allow entry into federal buildings, as they might not be able to find original birth certificates or other documents to prove they are legal residents.

The plan has drawn criticism from immigrant advocates and opponents of illegal immigration.

"In this climate, that's a scarlet letter," Del. Ana Sol Guti¿rrez (D-Montgomery) said of a two-license system. She said she thinks it would tag its holders as illegal immigrants and make them vulnerable. "Any policeman could call [federal] authorities," she said. Guti¿rrez is one of the legislature's leading advocates for immigrants.

Guti¿rrez and Casa de Maryland, which helps immigrants find jobs and housing, are pushing a different system that would keep the current license but offer legal residents a federally valid identification card similar to a passport.

"We think the best system is to retain the license," said Kim Propeack, Casa's advocacy director. "We believe the vast majority of people will want to keep the system the way it is." She said many Maryland residents, such as older drivers and ex-felons, regardless of their immigration status, would be unable to comply with federal requirements or have little need to enter federal buildings.

Opponents of illegal immigration have fought unsuccessfully for Maryland to adopt a federally recognized driver's license since the Real ID law was passed in 2005. Last week, some said the O'Malley administration would do little more than elevate the status of undocumented immigrants by awarding them a special license.

"They're following the letter of the law, but they're ignoring the intent," said Senate Minority Leader David R. Brinkley (R-Frederick). "The state is endorsing people to skirt the law. . . . Then Maryland becomes a haven for people that are here illegally."

Civil rights organizations and privacy advocates say that they are concerned that a standardized driver's license would amount to a national identification card and that a database with holders' information would be vulnerable to identify theft.

John T. Kuo, head of the state Motor Vehicle Administration, said his agency does not keep statistics on how many of Maryland's 3.9 million licensed drivers are not in the United States legally because state law does not require it to document immigration status.

"Our staff does not ask if someone is here legally, because that would be discriminatory," he said. However, as other states, including Virginia, have tightened the documentation required for a driver's license, Maryland has had a "surge in demand" for licenses from foreign-born residents, Kuo said.

About 2,000 foreign-born residents make appointments each week to present documents including foreign passports and marriage or divorce papers to get their driver's licenses. About 500,000 Maryland residents who do not drive have state identification cards.

Hawaii, Maine, Michigan, Oregon, Utah, New Mexico and Washington state do not require legal presence in the country to get a driver's license, although Oregon and Michigan are moving to require it.

Porcari said Maryland is the first state to propose a comprehensive two-tier system.
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A frankly sensible idea, unless one drinks the bongwater that causes one to forget that ICE is not a state agency.
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