brianeyci wrote:
What the fuck is Edwards still doing? Can't he "sell" himself to either Hillary or Obama to get in as VP? People like thinking that sellouts are immoral, but that is how politics works -- compromise, especially in a leadership convention at least in the rest of the world. But noooooooooooo in America you fight to the last man. By refusing to pick Hillary or Obama, when he's got zero chance of winning himself, he's putting his fingers in his ears and ignoring reality.
I don't think he likes the idea of playing second fiddle. I remember something of the like regarding his performance in the last election as Kerry's running mate.
How much money is this costing him, though, to stay in the race? IMO it's irresponsible, at this point, to waste your supporters' money after you have no chance to win like this.
He's got a bunch of delegates and could still make a showing on Super Tuesday. Plus, he's already pledged that he will not drop out of the race and his supporters are still behind him. I know I am.
But let's talk about Bill Clinton.
Bill Clinton needs to go home and shut the fuck up.
It's one thing to support his wife even though as a former president he really should stay out of it until the nomination is made, but to be Hillary's fucking hatchetman is undignified and pure bullshit.
And as far as Hillary attacking Obama for his saying that America needs the air of change that Ronald Reagan brought in, she needs to rethink that strategy real fucking quick considering the fact that the only cock she's sucked in the last 27 years was the Gippers.
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Invictus ChiKen wrote:He basically started screaming and cussing at me calling me an ignorant fool that wants to live on welfare and wont work...
Man, I will be looking soooooooo forward to rubbing it in people like your dad's face when I am working. Dumbasses like rubbing it in student's faces that they don't work for the four years they're in college, but then you get to rub it in their face for the rest of your life you have a college degree and they don't.
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What the fuck is Edwards still doing? Can't he "sell" himself to either Hillary or Obama to get in as VP? People like thinking that sellouts are immoral, but that is how politics works -- compromise, especially in a leadership convention at least in the rest of the world. But noooooooooooo in America you fight to the last man. By refusing to pick Hillary or Obama, when he's got zero chance of winning himself, he's putting his fingers in his ears and ignoring reality.
Why sell out now when you can gain a fuckton of delegates and possibly play kingmaker at the convention? It's not just about the VP spot, he could buy political appointments and demand that certain issues be on the agenda for in exchange for his support.
Plus, I think it's important to have a voice out there that is actually willing to talk about the issues, rather that throwing shit, or shielding themself from shit thrown.
Plus, I'm gonna vote for him.
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Invictus ChiKen wrote:He basically started screaming and cussing at me calling me an ignorant fool that wants to live on welfare and wont work...
Man, I will be looking soooooooo forward to rubbing it in people like your dad's face when I am working. Dumbasses like rubbing it in student's faces that they don't work for the four years they're in college, but then you get to rub it in their face for the rest of your life you have a college degree and they don't.
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What the fuck is Edwards still doing? Can't he "sell" himself to either Hillary or Obama to get in as VP? People like thinking that sellouts are immoral, but that is how politics works -- compromise, especially in a leadership convention at least in the rest of the world. But noooooooooooo in America you fight to the last man. By refusing to pick Hillary or Obama, when he's got zero chance of winning himself, he's putting his fingers in his ears and ignoring reality.
Why sell out now when you can gain a fuckton of delegates and possibly play kingmaker at the convention? It's not just about the VP spot, he could buy political appointments and demand that certain issues be on the agenda for in exchange for his support.
The problem with that theory is the assumption that Edwards is going to get that "fuckton of delegates". Not happening in any real world.
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brianeyci wrote:
Man, I will be looking soooooooo forward to rubbing it in people like your dad's face when I am working. Dumbasses like rubbing it in student's faces that they don't work for the four years they're in college, but then you get to rub it in their face for the rest of your life you have a college degree and they don't.
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What the fuck is Edwards still doing? Can't he "sell" himself to either Hillary or Obama to get in as VP? People like thinking that sellouts are immoral, but that is how politics works -- compromise, especially in a leadership convention at least in the rest of the world. But noooooooooooo in America you fight to the last man. By refusing to pick Hillary or Obama, when he's got zero chance of winning himself, he's putting his fingers in his ears and ignoring reality.
Why sell out now when you can gain a fuckton of delegates and possibly play kingmaker at the convention? It's not just about the VP spot, he could buy political appointments and demand that certain issues be on the agenda for in exchange for his support.
The problem with that theory is the assumption that Edwards is going to get that "fuckton of delegates". Not happening in any real world.
Obama has 63 delegates, Clinton 48, and Edwards 26. IIRC he's gained delegates in every primary (except for Michigan which was invalidated by the Democrats because they moved it up so early.
Assuming he keeps gaining delegates (which he will, it's just a matter of how many) he's going to have some leverage. I doubt he's going to keep the current margin he's got due to voter perception, but to think that he won't have pull is retarded. Especially considering the fact that most analysts don't think the Primary race will be anywhere close to "decided" even well after February 5.
And there's no reason to think that he's suddenly going to become a non-entity as Super-Tuesday rolls around. He's still out there on message while the other 2 are busy making shit up and taking offense at having shit made up about them.
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-Negan
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-Negan
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I'm trying to find the article (I think it was in the New York Times?) where they asked Joe Trippi (his campaign advisor) about this, and Trippi said something along the lines of "Obviously, we are still aiming to get the nomination, but 200 delegates is the on/off point for us; if we get that, then we'll play Kingmaker or whatever you want to call it."
I think he should definitely go for it. He's siphoning white votes off of Hillary Clinton, and it's basically his last chance for a seat in the Executive Office, even if it isn't the Presidential Chair. He's almost certainly not going to be able to make another run on the White in 2016, especially with two fairly tepid campaigns under his belt. Plus he doesn't have a lot to go back to, other than possibly a trial lawyer business and/or running for office again; he's been running non-stop for President in 2008 since 2004.
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brianeyci wrote:
Man, I will be looking soooooooo forward to rubbing it in people like your dad's face when I am working. Dumbasses like rubbing it in student's faces that they don't work for the four years they're in college, but then you get to rub it in their face for the rest of your life you have a college degree and they don't.
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What the fuck is Edwards still doing? Can't he "sell" himself to either Hillary or Obama to get in as VP? People like thinking that sellouts are immoral, but that is how politics works -- compromise, especially in a leadership convention at least in the rest of the world. But noooooooooooo in America you fight to the last man. By refusing to pick Hillary or Obama, when he's got zero chance of winning himself, he's putting his fingers in his ears and ignoring reality.
Why sell out now when you can gain a fuckton of delegates and possibly play kingmaker at the convention? It's not just about the VP spot, he could buy political appointments and demand that certain issues be on the agenda for in exchange for his support.
The problem with that theory is the assumption that Edwards is going to get that "fuckton of delegates". Not happening in any real world.
Keep in mind that this is the democratic contest, so all the delegates are proportional. Obviously, he's not going to get anywhere near the delegate counts that Obama and Clinton have, but if he picked up something like 10% from every state he runs in (possibly optimistic after Nevada, but not completely unreasonable - he's done at least that well in the other primaries), then he has some clout if the race goes to a convention.
Take California, for example, which has 370 delegates. Even if he only pulled in 10% of the vote, that's still something along the lines of 37 delegates.
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Guardsman Bass wrote:
Keep in mind that this is the democratic contest, so all the delegates are proportional. Obviously, he's not going to get anywhere near the delegate counts that Obama and Clinton have, but if he picked up something like 10% from every state he runs in (possibly optimistic after Nevada, but not completely unreasonable - he's done at least that well in the other primaries), then he has some clout if the race goes to a convention.
Take California, for example, which has 370 delegates. Even if he only pulled in 10% of the vote, that's still something along the lines of 37 delegates.
The huge problem with your assumption as given is in a large portion of the upcoming states, New York and New Jersey are two I know of for sure, you get absolutely nothing if you don't get at least 15% of the vote.
Other states have other rules which mean you don't necessarily get as many votes as your percentage would suggest. For instance part of California's delegates are not awarded simply proportionally, but based on which candidate wins one of 53 California "districts", with each one representing an elector. This means if you do strongly in many but don't actually win any of these districts you get none of those 53 electors.
I'm not saying its impossible Edwards will play kingmaker at the convention, but he has to do better in the upcoming primaries to pull this off than you seem to think.
Actually I had it wrong and 3/4s of California's delegates selected on February 5th are allocated based on those 53 districts and their outcomes. This may work to Obama advantage since California's Democratic Primary was open to independent registration until January 23rd, (while the Republic Party was not and is a closed primary) so Obama may do well in rural areas based on his ability to pull in and appeal to independents.
The key point though is if Edwards wins 10% of the statewide vote, but wins none of these 53 districts, he gets a very limited portion of the state's total electors, since only about 1/4 of this are purely proportional.
(The confusing detail is the numbers I am getting from description of this process don't seem to account for quite all of California's delegates, somewhere a bit under 100 may get allocated in some other manner, I suspect those may actually be super delegates.)
Well it didn't take long for the Clintons to come back and claim that this was entirely racial. I think t took Bill all of about 10 minutes to bring up the fact that Jesse Jackson won the state previously. Seriously the race-baiting shit he just pulled should get him tossed from the campaign.
I think one of the comments from WashPo's comments line (which is occasionally sprinkled with actual intelligence, though just occasionally) summed up my thoughts pretty succinctly:
Let's see now. Shillary was up by 30 in Iowa, and ended up losing handily.
She was up by 33 in New Hampshire, before she ended up winning by 6.
She was up by 28 in Nevada four months ago, and ended up winning a narrow victory, but actually ended up with fewer delegates because Obama's votes were statewide, as opposed to concentrated in Vegas.
And in November, Shillary was up by 25% in South Carolina, and leading amongst Black voters by 15%, only to be "routed" (according to AP), by an almost 2 to 1 margin.
And Bill Clinton tells us the S.C. vote is no big deal, cause even Jesse Jackson won there...so it's "a Black thing", and not to be taken seriously.
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Flagg wrote:Why sell out now when you can gain a fuckton of delegates and possibly play kingmaker at the convention? It's not just about the VP spot, he could buy political appointments and demand that certain issues be on the agenda for in exchange for his support.
I don't get this "selling out". Edwards should look at the big picture. The Dems need a VERY strong bullet to defeat the Repubs. We've seen how close its been in the last two elections. If Obama and Hillary would stop the bullshit ASAP, one should consider running as the VP to the other.
Obama and VP Clinton would have a DAMN good chance at winning the White House. And you can't possibly have a better consultant on your side as a former President. If not, Edwards should think of his party, and not himself, and offer his services as VP.
Edit Capitalized Edwards..
And about the OP: Anyone find it disgusting thatreport was basically: "Ooh! she sat with a white one! Oh, wait! she sat with a black one, now!!"
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Personally, I doubt anyone wants Edwards as a VP after the last election, really. They might cavass for his support (if it really comes to it), but VP, I doubt it.
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If Edwards doesn't win the nomination and the race between Obama and Clinton is close, then the delegates Edwards has managed to pick up are suddenly worth a fortune, maybe the Attorney General job (which is perfect for Edwards and better than VP anyway). Of course if the Lemming Effect takes over it doesn't matter.
Patrick Degan wrote:Obama crushed Hillary tonight: a nearly 2-1 margin in the popular primary vote, but still trails in the delegate count by 82. The win is still very significant as it keeps Obama's campaign dogging Hillary's heels hard and he is showing plenty of energy and growing confidence while the Clinton camp is starting to show a bit of nervousness and even, in a couple of unguarded moments, desperation.
Hillary's run into a fight she never expected. Even when Obama loses, it's not enough to put him down. Bill could have adapted to this sort of challenge but I don't think she's quite up to it. To win, she will have to pull every party and political trick at her disposal and it will not be pretty.
As for Edwards, he's dead in the water. Expect him to drop out sometime in the next week or two.
Obama is ahead of Hillary for delegates unless you count the superdelegates that Hillary is known to have the support of. Superdelegates however aren't locked in, and if Obama makes strong showings later in the Primaries they can ditch Hill if they are so inclined.
One of the posters on The Daily Dish had this winner:
This also shows that George W Bush is a uniter after all: People are so fucking frustrated that even rednecks are willing to give a black guy a chance.
Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Personally, I doubt anyone wants Edwards as a VP after the last election, really. They might cavass for his support (if it really comes to it), but VP, I doubt it.
As I mentioned earlier, he doesn't really bring any advantages to the table that he didn't bring in 2004 (which is to say, none). He didn't bring in any states for Kerry in 2004, particularly from the South (which was supposed to be part of the reason he was brought on), and he wasn't a particularly useful VP on the campaign trail (although to give him credit, he warned Kerry against going windsurfing; Kerry did, it was caught on camera, and it was used in that rather irritating flip-flopping ad).
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