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The Independent wrote: Sentenced to death: Afghan who dared to read about women's rights
By Kim Sengupta
Thursday, 31 January 2008

A young man, a student of journalism, is sentenced to death by an Islamic court for downloading a report from the internet. The sentence is then upheld by the country's rulers. This is Afghanistan – not in Taliban times but six years after "liberation" and under the democratic rule of the West's ally Hamid Karzai.

The fate of Sayed Pervez Kambaksh has led to domestic and international protests, and deepening concern about erosion of civil liberties in Afghanistan. He was accused of blasphemy after he downloaded a report from a Farsi website which stated that Muslim fundamentalists who claimed the Koran justified the oppression of women had misrepresented the views of the prophet Mohamed.

Mr Kambaksh, 23, distributed the tract to fellow students and teachers at Balkh University with the aim, he said, of provoking a debate on the matter. But a complaint was made against him and he was arrested, tried by religious judges without – say his friends and family – being allowed legal representation and sentenced to death.

The Independent is launching a campaign today to secure justice for Mr Kambaksh. The UN, human rights groups, journalists' organisations and Western diplomats have urged Mr Karzai's government to intervene and free him. But the Afghan Senate passed a motion yesterday confirming the death sentence.

The MP who proposed the ruling condemning Mr Kambaksh was Sibghatullah Mojaddedi, a key ally of Mr Karzai. The Senate also attacked the international community for putting pressure on the Afghan government and urged Mr Karzai not to be influenced by outside un-Islamic views.

The case of Mr Kambaksh, who also worked a s reporter for the Jahan-i-Naw (New World) newspaper, is seen in Afghanistan as yet another chapter in the escalation in the confrontation between Afghanistan and the West.

It comes in the wake of Mr Karzai accusing the British of actually worsening the situation in Helmand province by their actions and his subsequent blocking of the appointment of Lord Ashdown as the UN envoy and expelling a British and an Irish diplomat.

Demonstrations, organised by clerics, against the alleged foreign interference have been held in the northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif, where Mr Kambaksh was arrested. Aminuddin Muzafari, the first secretary of the houses of parliament, said: "People should realise that as we are representatives of an Islamic country therefore we can never tolerate insults to reverences of Islamic religion."

At a gathering in Takhar province, Maulavi Ghulam Rabbani Rahmani, the heads of the Ulema council, said: "We want the government and the courts to execute the court verdict on Kambaksh as soon as possible." In Parwan province, another senior cleric, Maulavi Muhammad Asif, said: "This decision is for disrespecting the holy Koran and the government should enforce the decision before it came under more pressure from foreigners."

UK officials say they are particularly concerned about such draconian action being taken against a journalist. The Foreign Office and Department for International Development has donated large sums to the training of media workers in the country. The Government funds the Institute for War and Peace Reporting (IWPR) in the Helmand capital, Lashkar Gar.

Mr Kambaksh's brother, Sayed Yaqub Ibrahimi, is also a journalist and has written articles for IWPR in which he accused senior public figures, including an MP, of atrocities, including murders. He said: "Of course we are all very worried about my brother. What has happened to him is very unjust. He has not committed blasphemy and he was not even allowed to have a legal defence. and what took place was a secret trial."

Qayoum Baabak, the editor of Jahan-i-Naw, said a senior prosecutor in Mazar-i-Sharif, Hafiz Khaliqyar, had warned journalists that they would be punished if they protested against the death sentence passed on Mr Kambaksh.

Jean MacKenzie, country director for IWPR, said: "We feel very strongly that this is designed to put pressure on Pervez's brother, Yaqub, who has done some of the hardest-hitting pieces outlining abuses by some very powerful commanders."

Rahimullah Samander, the president of the Afghan Independent Journalists' Association, said: "This is unfair, this is illegal. He just printed a copy of something and looked at it and read it. How can we believe in this 'democracy' if we can't even read, we can't even study? We are asking Mr Karzai to quash the death sentence before it is too late."

The circumstances surrounding the conviction of Mr Kambaksh are also being viewed as a further attempt to claw back the rights gained by women since the overthrow of the Taliban. The most prominent female MP, Malalai Joya, has been suspended after criticising her male colleagues.

Under the Afghan constitution, say legal experts, Mr Kambaksh has the right to appeal to the country's supreme court. Some senior clerics maintain, however, that since he has been convicted under religious laws, the supreme court should not bring secular interpretations to the case.

Mr Karzai has the right to intervene and pardon Mr Kambaksh. However, even if he is freed, it would be hard for the student to escape retribution in a country where fundamentalists and warlords are increasingly in the ascendancy.

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I can't wait until we go and spread democracy to their shit hole after Iraq.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:I can't wait until we go and spread democracy to their shit hole after Iraq.
I'm not sure if that was sarcasm...this happened in Afghanistan, where we already supposedly spread democracy.
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A sarcastic Brit? Where?!

Yes, it was sarcasm. And it tends to piss me off when I see a nation we're supposed to be devoting more attention to, go down the shitter like this in the interests of religious appeasement and because Karzai has influence. Fuck them and fuck their retarded caveman ideologies.
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Mr Kambaksh, 23, distributed the tract to fellow students and teachers at Balkh University with the aim, he said, of provoking a debate on the matter. But a complaint was made against him and he was arrested, tried by religious judges without – say his friends and family – being allowed legal representation and sentenced to death.
He was not sentenced to death for downloading pro-women's rights issues, he was sentenced to death for printing it out and passing it around at his collage.

The first sentence of the story is bull-shit, they sentenced him to death for downloading it, printing it off and handing it out at the collage. That's what they are sentencing him to death for folks.

That of course, still makes it outrage, a national disgrace and a vile act. But lets at least get the facts right on why this kid is going to die, least people make a series of posts proving they did not read the OP.

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There is no place for Muslims in the 21st century, is there? It certainly seems as if they do NOT want to live in the 21st century, with mass media spreading foreign ideas all over the planet.
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Sidewinder wrote:There is no place for Muslims in the 21st century, is there? It certainly seems as if they do NOT want to live in the 21st century, with mass media spreading foreign ideas all over the planet.
Seems most of the Middle East is still in the Medieval Era, but with guns. Seems like they just don't like change.
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Sidewinder wrote:There is no place for Muslims in the 21st century, is there? It certainly seems as if they do NOT want to live in the 21st century, with mass media spreading foreign ideas all over the planet.
Seems most of the Middle East is still in the Medieval Era, but with guns. Seems like they just don't like change.
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This underscores a real problem with the neo-con view of the world: they assume that the world contains precisely three kinds of people in it:
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Furthermore, they assume that these evildoers are part of discrete socio-political groups, which roam around the world attempting to damage American interests and advance their own organized agenda. Based on these premises, they conclude that the world would become a gigantic version of America if they could just hunt down and destroy these groups.

What they can't or won't grasp is that many of the horrible things we associate with "evildoers" are not part of any discrete group's agenda or ideology; they are thoroughly woven into many foreign cultures: as thoroughly embedded as Christianity is in America. The people committing these acts could be removed and others would simply rise up to take their place. Behind every "evildoer" are legions of people who could easily do all the things he does, if they're only pushed hard enough. The same is true in the "civilized countries", although people are loathe to admit it.
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You know, I don't think Afghanistan would be like that if the United States had simply let the Red Army crush the Muhajedin back in the 80s. Not like the place was any more valuable after the Soviets left, it was a mountainous insular shit hole before they came, it remained a mountainous insular shit hole afterward.
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It's a twisted game. Has there ever been an instance where forced regime-change has replaced the dictators and tyrants of a country with benevolent rulers and caused change for the better? America just keeps on replacing assholes with more assholes, and in most cases, the assholes they replaced were assholes they placed there in the first place.

It's like guys like Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden, Musharraf, Karzai, are disposable condoms America throws away after raping nation after nation.
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If the Soviet Army successfully eradicated the islamic insurgency and the Pakistani "helpers", I don't think it would've allowed radical islam to take any root in the new country. The punitive emancipation of women, if ran towards the logical conclusion, would hardly allow Afghanistan back into the dark ages.

But then, the USSR may have left the country anyway in 1989-1991 due to political, not military reasons, just as it did in reality.

In that case, the secular Afghanistan would not last long.
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Why do these people want to treat their women like shit and do barbaric acts to their own people, anyway?

Hell, why do people in general (Muslin and Christian fundies) want to choose such shitty ways of life? Why do people have such an impulse of self-enslavement?
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:It's a twisted game. Has there ever been an instance where forced regime-change has replaced the dictators and tyrants of a country with benevolent rulers and caused change for the better?
Yes, the invasion of Germany 1945, ditto Italy when Mussolini was killed, arguably Japan as well. These were home grown reasonably popular regimes, with considerable popular support, and yet things got a lot better once they were done.

In all of those cases the Allies said "The ideology that made you do this is not acceptable, and you have to accept western values. Don't think you can wear us out, we've smashed you into the ground, and we'll stay however long it takes."
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:Why do these people want to treat their women like shit and do barbaric acts to their own people, anyway?
It's Sunna.
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Norseman wrote:Yes, the invasion of Germany 1945, ditto Italy when Mussolini was killed, arguably Japan as well. These were home grown reasonably popular regimes, with considerable popular support, and yet things got a lot better once they were done.

In all of those cases the Allies said "The ideology that made you do this is not acceptable, and you have to accept western values. Don't think you can wear us out, we've smashed you into the ground, and we'll stay however long it takes."
Somehow, I don't think that can be applied to the current situation...:(
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:It's a twisted game. Has there ever been an instance where forced regime-change has replaced the dictators and tyrants of a country with benevolent rulers and caused change for the better?
Yes, the invasion of Germany 1945, ditto Italy when Mussolini was killed, arguably Japan as well. These were home grown reasonably popular regimes, with considerable popular support, and yet things got a lot better once they were done.

In all of those cases the Allies said "The ideology that made you do this is not acceptable, and you have to accept western values. Don't think you can wear us out, we've smashed you into the ground, and we'll stay however long it takes."
The problem with that ideology now is that the US went in for the wrong reasons. It went in FOR ITSELF and largely without casus belli and without international support. World War II was largely the last "righteous crusade". Three nations went cuckoo and thought they could do what they wanted with people (oddly enough the US has done this to a lesser degree). They fucked over world and starting really hurting lots of people. Had the US not intervened the world would be O so much different.

Places like Iraq and Afghanistan and hell, anyplace that shits on civil liberties would need to have a massive coalition for change and not necessarily for war. You'd need to strengthen to UN's role to protect all people and give it an actual standing army, navy, and airforce instead of a volunteer one from member nations with their own agendas for stuff like that to work nowadays.

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They had casus belli for Afghanistan and look where they are there.

No, I think the reason is even easier than that. The Americans need to look at their home front and realize the America of 1945 and later where they built nations, Japan, Germany, Korea, Italy are long past.

The DVD, MP3, High Definition television junk food attention span limited to five seconds culture cannot stay for an entire generation to build a whole nation. The Islamists are right about that.

Does this mean giving up or admitting defeat? Of course not. Just that nation building is an exercise in futility and more limited, realistic goals need to be created. Nation building in the middle of a mountainous shithole is a lot more difficult that nation building in the middle of Europe.
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Darth Wong wrote:This underscores a real problem with the neo-con view of the world: they assume that the world contains precisely three kinds of people in it:
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  3. Evildoers
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:
Norseman wrote:Yes, the invasion of Germany 1945, ditto Italy when Mussolini was killed, arguably Japan as well. These were home grown reasonably popular regimes, with considerable popular support, and yet things got a lot better once they were done.

In all of those cases the Allies said "The ideology that made you do this is not acceptable, and you have to accept western values. Don't think you can wear us out, we've smashed you into the ground, and we'll stay however long it takes."
Somehow, I don't think that can be applied to the current situation...:(
What, didn't you remember in your history class where the German people took to strapping bombs to themselves and hiding in literally in any shithole they could find to evade and fight back against the Allies because they believed that martyrdom would permit them entrance to an otherworldly paradise?

Arguably this may apply to Japan, but the difference is that the sudden deployment of the unexpected atomic weapon over Hiroshima was a greater shock to the morale of Japanese leadership and the public than they were prepared to deal with, and even that took place after months of firebombing and required a followup nuclear strike to drive the point home. Previous incursions into Japanese colonies showed that the civilian residents were perfectly prepared to fight a land occupation for as long as it took and would die with their bamboo spears in hand. I don't think anyone is interested in tabling nuclear intimidation tactics against the jihadis, many of whom would anticipate a weapon as iconic as a nuclear warhead and see it as justification of their cause or possibly even the fulfillment of some Kuranic prophecy.
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The other problem with comparing these circumstances today with World War II, is that the main ideology driving these regimes were philosophy based and accepted as man's invention of a better way to some.

But Islam ideology is considered divine truth by these people. There is no reasoning with them. They are the demonstrative example of what the United States could conceivably have become if they did not have the establishment clause. Hell, they are STILL trying to pass laws almost as pernicious and arbitrary as the Islamic one in this instance. If secular values were not cherished so highly in America, they would be applying the death penalty just as bad. Remember the 'witches' of Salem?

Islam at its core is thoroughly incompatible with humanism and ethics in the modern world. Hell so is Christianity in truth, but they at least have some 'outs' not requiring everyone in the world to convert and follow. Islam demands EVERYONE eventually becomes muslim and you must follow the moral laws without any choice whatsoever.

I seriously worry what will happen in the future because the world as a whole is becoming too global in scope, and the average person, especially atheists and religious moderates, are going to become more and more outraged by these neanderthal attitudes and demand countries stop imposing sentences on people that are religiously based. It's inevitable. That's when the shit is really going to hit the fan.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:A sarcastic Brit? Where?!

Yes, it was sarcasm. And it tends to piss me off when I see a nation we're supposed to be devoting more attention to, go down the shitter like this in the interests of religious appeasement and because Karzai has influence.
I find it interesting that Karzai lived for years in the Chicago suburbs (some of his family still lives there, cousins and such) and has been thoroughly exposed to and steeped in US influence and culture... yet the country he's running is turning into, to Western eyes, an Islamofascist shithole.

Same old problem - not everyone wants to be an American. Or Westernized.
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Norseman wrote:
Shroom Man 777 wrote:Why do these people want to treat their women like shit and do barbaric acts to their own people, anyway?
It's Sunna.
Its power, greed, bigotry and ignorance the same things as exist in all nations to one degree or another.
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:Why do these people want to treat their women like shit and do barbaric acts to their own people, anyway?
Strong traditional values.

All major societies treated their women like shit in the past. All major societies behaved with callous disregard for the public welfare in the past. So in any society, people who love the distant past and wish to return to it will inevitably act like assholes and treat their women like shit.
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