Who do you vote for if it's McCain Vs. Hillary

[Patrick Degan]

You're telling me that the government is not bound by law?

Yes. That is precisely why I said "the government is not bound by law" and not something else.

That several very obvious attempts to "control stupid parts of peoples' lives" have not faced court challenge and have been shot down on the basis of that law? That the "rich elite" you refer to rules as a monolithic bloc?

Never said that.

Where did the New Deal come from if it's the case that the government has always been under the control of a rich elite enforcing their hegemony? What about the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, and Title IX?

What of them?

And why is Barack Obama managing to make so much electoral headway despite the opposition of this supposedly controllling elite enforcing its hegemony?

Because he's popular. And wealthy enough to break into the system at a time when the zeitgeist allows for it. How many other presidential hopefuls in the last 50 years or so have been black or women that have got this far? If there's no elite that are prepared to enforce hegemony on everyone, they should've cropped up as soon as blacks got equal rights and political ambition(which they should've had anyway, had they not been systematically repressed by... well, who were they repressed by, since the elites don't exist and don't influence society?).

As compared to where?

A non-elite, non-bourgeois ideal situation. Or do you think other countries having bourgeois systems suddenly means that America is absent one?

Handwaving away the fact of progress in American society over the past 220 years does not prove your argument, or FerrariF1's.

Nor would it. The overwhelming white male constitution of all points of authority and success does that. Or are you claiming that is merely a thing of the past?

Cuuuuute —you just cherry-pick one part of that paragraph

Yeah, because it was a red herring.

and conveniently leave off the entire bit about how Social Security privatisation —a central part of the conservative agenda supported by Murdoch and pushed by the Stupid Chimp— got defeated handily despite the supposed control of the government by the elite you refer to.

That's because some elites are better than others, something I already outlined.

Then why did Social Security privatisation fail?

Because it was sufficiently unpopular with enough of the elite.

Why did the GOP lose control of Congress in 2006?

Because they were voted out. Do you think my argument precludes that? Do you think I'm arguing that the republican elite are infallible and sit in darkened rooms plotting conspiracies? If so, you have read the wrong thing into what I'm saying.

Why have the American people turned against the Iraq War?

Why were they for it in the first place?

Why is Barack Obama, a first-time presidential candidate and junior senator, in position to actually get the nomination for the Democratic Party despite the media circus directed against him?

Because he's popular and has a shitload of money.

Nice little non-answer. Come back when you've got something resembling an argument.