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Not sure of the veracity of this story, but thought it worth posting anyway. I first heard about it a few days ago and figured I'd follow it up. Not much aside from a local news "investigation", but to be quite frank, given the way the gov't and America as a whole has responded to the New Orleans disaster, having it pretty much entirely unreported is not at all shocking and the shitty contractor work not at all surprising.
WWLTV wrote: 4 Investigates: Floodwalls stuffed with newspaper?

11:54 PM CDT on Thursday, April 24, 2008
Lee Zurik / WWL-TV News Anchor


“It blows my mind.” Those are the words St. Bernard parish president Craig Taffaro used to watch videotape Eyewitness News showed him, of floodwalls built to protect his parish.

“That should be criminal,” Taffaro continues.

What he's talking about was witnessed by a St. Bernard Parish resident who didn't want to be identified, but did have sharp criticism of the work done by a contractor hired by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.

“It's like putting a Band-Aid on the hole of a gas tank of an airplane,” the resident said.

Instead of an airplane, it's a floodwall, and instead of a Band-Aid, the witness says two years ago, he saw the contractor filling the expansion joint or opening between the floodwalls with newspaper.

“The whole length of the wall was stuffed with newspaper.”

And when he confronted the contractor, the contractor blamed Washington for the substandard work.

“He basically told me when Congress sent down the money, it would be repaired the proper way.”

But during a recent trip to the area, two years later, it was apparent that didn't happen. Much of the newspaper had deteriorated or been eaten by bugs, but some still remained. In fact WWL cameras even captured the date May 21, 2006, on a page of the Parade magazine from the Times-Picayune.

Eyewitness News asked local engineer Subhash Kulkarni to investigate the findings at the floodwall.

“They should have done a better job than what you see here.”

Kulkarni is a member of the American Society of Civil Engineers. The ASCE named him outstanding civil engineer in Louisiana back in 2003.

“I cannot even comprehend that somebody would stuff some newspaper in there.”

Engineers tell Eyewitness News an expansion joint has three lines of defense. The first is an elastic strip that helps keep water out. In the middle is the most important part, a waterstop, which is in fact included in the St. Bernard floodwall. However what is missing is a rubber joint that goes in between and helps keep foreign objects out.

The witness who talked to Eyewitness News says the contractor used the newspaper in place of the rubber joint. Kulkarni says it's not a short term risk, but over time that missing rubber joint could weaken that waterstop.

“It could be very serious,” Kulkarni said. “It doesn't take a lot of stress to cause the failure of these floodwalls. We don't know after two or three years how the main joint will perform. This is the first line of defense.”

But the Army Corps of Engineers says it is confident the floodwall will sufficiently defend residents of St. Bernard and the Ninth Ward.

“If you look at the repairs we made to the joints, there's not really a safety issue with the joints at all,” said Kevin Wagner with the Army Corps of Engineers.

The Corps also says it’s satisfied with the quality of work done by its contractor. When asked by WWL if there was any shoddy work involved, Wagner said, “I don't think so at all.”

But days before that interview, after a request by Eyewitness News , another Corps employee e-mailed the Corps’ standards for expansion joint construction and in that e-mail, the Corps employee describes the specific materials needed as "sponge rubber" that goes next to the waterstop. That’s the same spot where a witness saw a contractor stuffing newspaper back in 2006.

When asked if the absence of material behind the waterstop was what was called for in the contract, Corps spokesman Kevin Wagner called the project an emergency repair.

“If we would have built a new floodwall that would not have been the case. We would have the waterstop, some joint filler material in between and then we would put an elastic sealer over the top of it,” Wagner said. “In this case we tried to do the repairs as quick as possible to protect the water stop before the start of hurricane season.”

But according to the contract obtained by Eyewitness News, that may not be the case. The contract calls for Ercon Corporation, based in Lafayette, Louisiana, to do the almost $2 million of work to raise and repair the floodwall under the Paris Road bridge.

In the contract, WWL found at least four mentions of field molded sealants. Kulkarni says that is the sponge rubber material to fill the cavity in the expansion joint. And he says the contract shows the rubber material was contractually required to be installed.

“I would say they have not met their obligation to install the joint correctly. They haven't installed it at all,” Kulkarni said.

Eyewitness News contacted the president of Ercon Corporation by phone and e-mail. He didn't respond to our repeated requests for a comment on this story. Further, our investigation revealed Ercon Corporation is not even licensed by the state's board for contractors. The Corps of Engineers says as long as the federal government pays for the work, it does not prevent them from hiring an unlicensed Louisiana company.

“If you're telling me this is an out of town contractor who drives back to wherever they're from and puts their head on the pillow at night, does it really matter to them that this particular part of the project fails?” St. Bernard president Craig Taffaro asks.

Taffaro calls the response from the Corps and Contractor unacceptable.

“Would they let a contractor put Play-Doh in the place of mortar when they put bricks on their house? No, I don't think so,” Taffaro said.

He says while newspaper doesn't define the entire levee system, it does have him concerned about the oversight of all work being done in southeast Louisiana.

“It's an indictment against the quality of work being done,” Taffaro says. “Let’s hope that same standard wasn't being used in constructing the floodwall in constructing the levees.”
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It's sad to say it, but in a way that's why there's a distinct advantage to living in a totalitarian society like China. There, like in the case of the toy executive that had the lead paint scandal last year, the powers-that-be can simply say "take him out and have him shot, to serve as an example to others".

Maybe instead we should force the contractor to move himself and his family to a house 100 feet from the newspaper-stuffed seal. Sleep tight!
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Coyote wrote:It's sad to say it, but in a way that's why there's a distinct advantage to living in a totalitarian society like China. There, like in the case of the toy executive that had the lead paint scandal last year, the powers-that-be can simply say "take him out and have him shot, to serve as an example to others".
In other words, the problem remains, but you do get a scapegoat for the government, as well as no accountability. Teh win!
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Eleas wrote:
Coyote wrote:It's sad to say it, but in a way that's why there's a distinct advantage to living in a totalitarian society like China. There, like in the case of the toy executive that had the lead paint scandal last year, the powers-that-be can simply say "take him out and have him shot, to serve as an example to others".
In other words, the problem remains, but you do get a scapegoat for the government, as well as no accountability. Teh win!
Or, the hoped-for reaction among other government contractors: "Oh, shit! If we dick around, they put daylight through us!" [works diligently].
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."


In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!

If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!!
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To add:

While my actual words do, indeed, reflect a visceral reaction typical of "rarrgh, get 'im" the truth of my reaciton is that there is no accountability for these fuckers. The Corp of Engineers guy defended the contractors saying it was satisfactory, you know this shitlicker is going to not only get more contracts but he'll probably get a "bonus" or something, and because he's (undoubtedly) well-connected through a web of political and business contacts he won't have to worry about any repercussions.

If anything, should the levee fail, some job site overseer, a poor middle-management schmoe, will get the blame and tossed out like a sacrificial lamb.
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."


In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!

If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!!
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Is it a sign of my credulousness that upon reading the thread title I thought it would be about some clever engineering feat that makes use of wastepaper?

Instead it's about incompetence and shoddy work. :evil:
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Coyote wrote:To add:

While my actual words do, indeed, reflect a visceral reaction typical of "rarrgh, get 'im" the truth of my reaciton is that there is no accountability for these fuckers. The Corp of Engineers guy defended the contractors saying it was satisfactory, you know this shitlicker is going to not only get more contracts but he'll probably get a "bonus" or something, and because he's (undoubtedly) well-connected through a web of political and business contacts he won't have to worry about any repercussions.

If anything, should the levee fail, some job site overseer, a poor middle-management schmoe, will get the blame and tossed out like a sacrificial lamb.
Oh, I fully agree. I just think the present system is too multilayered, too well-crafted, and too base to be solved in such simple ways. It's like they've elevated ass-coverage beyond an art form and into transcendance. And that frightens me, because the system is stable and self-correcting, and as such, I see little ultimate recourse beyond tearing it all down.

Instead, as you say, we get scapegoating.
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“It blows my mind.” Those are the words St. Bernard parish president Craig Taffaro used to watch videotape Eyewitness News showed him, of floodwalls built to protect his parish.

“That should be criminal,” Taffaro continues.
Oh, I can think of two charges for an indictment right off the bat: fraud and criminal negligence.
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Patrick Degan wrote: Oh, I can think of two charges for an indictment right off the bat: fraud and criminal negligence.
I'm not a lawyer, but since people died as a result of their criminal actions wouldn't that open up the possibility of murder charges?
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Imperial Overlord wrote: I'm not a lawyer, but since people died as a result of their criminal actions wouldn't that open up the possibility of murder charges?
Murder would be dicey, but it's entirely possible that Involuntary Manslaughter is viable at a minimum. Depending on how much of the negligence can be proven to be willful.
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Imperial Overlord wrote:
Patrick Degan wrote: Oh, I can think of two charges for an indictment right off the bat: fraud and criminal negligence.
I'm not a lawyer, but since people died as a result of their criminal actions wouldn't that open up the possibility of murder charges?
Nobody died yet from the new floodwalls which were filled with newspaper instead of proper sealant compound (which means the contractor failed to do the job to specification and as agreed to: hence fraud), but the potential for massive casualties and a large death toll from floodwall failure was clearly ignored by the contractor, (who went ahead anyway: hence negligence).
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My apologies to the board. I was distracted and didn't read the news article carefully enough.
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