Fat People Disproportionately Destroying Planet

[Darth Wong]

Re: the oh so revolutionary article claiming that dieting doesn't work: the fact that it doesn't get rid of obesity is not because it doesn't work; it's because obese people won't actually do it. They can adopt a diet only as a brief exertion, not as a permanent lifestyle change.

Saying that dieting doesn't cure obesity is like saying that education doesn't cure illiteracy. It's a preposterous argument: in both cases, the method works fine, if you use it.

[Kanastrous]

Maybe it's the hair-split; dieting by itself is not very effective, long-term, unless it's combined with an exercise regimen.

Or so I have heard.

And so it seems to work, for me.

[Molyneux]

Re: the oh so revolutionary article claiming that dieting doesn't work: the fact that it doesn't get rid of obesity is not because it doesn't work; it's because obese people won't actually do it. They can adopt a diet only as a brief exertion, not as a permanent lifestyle change.

Saying that dieting doesn't cure obesity is like saying that education doesn't cure illiteracy. It's a preposterous argument: in both cases, the method works fine, if you use it.

Over the course of the past semester, while taking a gym class, I have dropped somewhere around 10 pounds.

(The problem for me, of course, is sticking with exercise now that I don't have my graduation riding on it.)

Anyone who says that exercise and diet don't affect obesity is speaking out their ass, and the fact that that article wasn't laughed off of the face of the planet is a strain to my already-limited faith in human intelligence.

[ArmorPierce]

lol, for some reason this gives me of a image of pointing to that fat person and exclaiming "you ate all our food!"

[Illuminatus Primus]

The results are poor, and this must necessarily mean that the instructions are not so? The results of drug addiction therapy are poor, does that mean "not doing drugs will prolong your life, aid your health, and prevent your addiction from getting worse" is not true. Maybe they just cannot stop themselves from eating. My obese roommate eats a box of Oreos a week, whole milk with Fruit Loops, ad nauseum.

[Kanastrous]

Maybe they just cannot stop themselves from eating. My obese roommate eats a box of Oreos a week, whole milk with Fruit Loops, ad nauseum.

Does anyone still offer aversion therapy? Maybe that's worth a try.

[Schuyler Colfax]

That'll be me in 10 years at the rate I'm going. My nearly fatass needs to lay of the Chinese food.

[Oni Koneko Damien]

A cultural indoctrination into laziness and apathy has a lot to do with it as well. There are so many people who claim they 'don't have the time' to exercise, etc., I can't help but laugh at them, simply because of how easy it was to prove them wrong. All I did (partially because I just wanted to see if it was possible, and to get back into shape for my usual summer exertions), was start working out at my job.

I found out it was easy as hell, even on the busiest days. No matter how frantic the pace may have been, I *always* had bits of spare time every now and then to stretch and get in a pretty damn good workout (mostly involving lifting boxes of supplies in different positions) over the course of my shift. It's now pretty much a daily thing, and over the past month I've been doing it, there's been a quite noticeable improvement, according to my alpha-girl.

I think a lot of peoples' unwillingness to do it, at least semi-publicly, is the perceived stigma of being seen as a 'health-nut'. When people saw me working out at work, they looked honestly surprised about it, asking me why the hell I'd be doing something like that. The answer was simple enough: It's good for me.

[Molyneux]

A cultural indoctrination into laziness and apathy has a lot to do with it as well. There are so many people who claim they 'don't have the time' to exercise, etc., I can't help but laugh at them, simply because of how easy it was to prove them wrong. All I did (partially because I just wanted to see if it was possible, and to get back into shape for my usual summer exertions), was start working out at my job.

I found out it was easy as hell, even on the busiest days. No matter how frantic the pace may have been, I *always* had bits of spare time every now and then to stretch and get in a pretty damn good workout (mostly involving lifting boxes of supplies in different positions) over the course of my shift. It's now pretty much a daily thing, and over the past month I've been doing it, there's been a quite noticeable improvement, according to my alpha-girl.

I think a lot of peoples' unwillingness to do it, at least semi-publicly, is the perceived stigma of being seen as a 'health-nut'. When people saw me working out at work, they looked honestly surprised about it, asking me why the hell I'd be doing something like that. The answer was simple enough: It's good for me.

That...is an example that I really should follow.
All right, that decides it: tomorrow, assuming that it's not raining, I'm heading out to the high school track and going at least a mile. Thanks for helping motivate me!

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

Excellent point, Damien. Of course, the nice thing about my job is that it's inherently exercise. I calculated that if I move ten eighty-pound concrete sacks twenty feet from pallet to truck bed (NOT counting the lifting four feet to chest height) I make a cumulative effort of eight foot-tons! I probably do around three foot-tons of work on an average day just walking around the shop all day constantly, and I can always expect to lift a fifty-pounds-and-up object at least once a day. Then there's the three-block commute to work and back, on foot.

Needless to say this pic isn't so accurate anymore. I have actual _muscles_. Best part is they've been gained through exercise that's as practical for real-world applications as possible.

[The Yosemite Bear]

Ok, about 20-30 pounds overweight, I eat senibly, exercise, walk a lot, and tend to stay the fuck away from McMeals. Yet there are people who make me look like a saint in comparison.

[tim31]

Re: the oh so revolutionary article claiming that dieting doesn't work

I didn't know whether to be amused or outraged at that one; I started my diet three weeks ago and I've lost almost ten kilograms. That's nearly 22 pounds, and I have barely modified my physical activity; when I do it'll be interesting. Fuck those people who won't help themselves.

[Mayabird]

Re: the oh so revolutionary article claiming that dieting doesn't work: the fact that it doesn't get rid of obesity is not because it doesn't work; it's because obese people won't actually do it. They can adopt a diet only as a brief exertion, not as a permanent lifestyle change.

Saying that dieting doesn't cure obesity is like saying that education doesn't cure illiteracy. It's a preposterous argument: in both cases, the method works fine, if you use it.

A permanent change in eating habits and activity levels wouldn't be called a diet, therefore that's all thrown out. Similar to how in pro-abstinence-only studies, any kid who has sex is tossed out of the study so they can get the results they want. I figure it might be something like that.

When people think of diets they probably think of them like get-rich-quick schemes. Eat a bunch of meat and no bread for a couple weeks and they'll look like a supermodel for the rest of their lives. Just like how if they give this guy they don't know a bunch of their money they'll get back five times as much by the end of the month.

[Eulogy]

Re: the oh so revolutionary article claiming that dieting doesn't work: the fact that it doesn't get rid of obesity is not because it doesn't work; it's because obese people won't actually do it. They can adopt a diet only as a brief exertion, not as a permanent lifestyle change.

Saying that dieting doesn't cure obesity is like saying that education doesn't cure illiteracy. It's a preposterous argument: in both cases, the method works fine, if you use it.

Hell, you don't even need to follow an actual diet; to lose weight all you have to do is (gasp!) eat less and exercise more! Second Law of Thermodynamics, bitches!

[Terralthra]

Hell, you don't even need to follow an actual diet; to lose weight all you have to do is (gasp!) eat less and exercise more! Second Law of Thermodynamics, bitches!

I don't think the ratio of heat energy to total energy in a closed system constantly increasing has anything to do with eating less calories than you burn. Maybe you mean the first law?

[The Yosemite Bear]

secondarily we are not a closed system. I just released a liter of uric acid, and consumed some fresh water proving that.

[Molyneux]

Hell, you don't even need to follow an actual diet; to lose weight all you have to do is (gasp!) eat less and exercise more! Second Law of Thermodynamics, bitches!

I don't think the ratio of heat energy to total energy in a closed system constantly increasing has anything to do with eating less calories than you burn. Maybe you mean the first law?

Most likely. It seems to be the thrust of his argument, and it's both a simple and valid one...wish it was easier to convince my hindbrain of that, though.

[The Yosemite Bear]

furter proof we're not a closed system. After 8 hours in a 145*f kitchen I have lost quite a bit of fluid, and electrolytes. I am now replacing them. Yes, G2, I love you, my diabetic safe when mixed with water at 1:1 post work recovery....

PS the hispanics in the kitchen were teasing me for sweating and smelling so much. I've got Norse & Celtic genes for the most part. I'll befine if you want someone who can survive an Ice age or go all bearsarker on somebody. (probably a good thing I can't manifest ríastrad, or shift into bear form in this reality.)

[Eulogy]

Hell, you don't even need to follow an actual diet; to lose weight all you have to do is (gasp!) eat less and exercise more! Second Law of Thermodynamics, bitches!

I don't think the ratio of heat energy to total energy in a closed system constantly increasing has anything to do with eating less calories than you burn. Maybe you mean the first law?

Whoops. Yeah, I meant the First Law.