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John McCunt: We can win Iraq war within 4 years!

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McCain: U.S. can win Iraq war within 4 years
GOP presidential candidate spells out his vision for White House

updated 9:12 a.m. PT, Thurs., May. 15, 2008

COLUMBUS, Ohio - John McCain , looking through a crystal ball to 2013 and the end of a prospective first term, sees "spasmodic" but reduced violence in Iraq and Afghanistan, Osama bin Laden dead or captured and government spending curbed by his ready veto pen.

The Republican presidential contender also envisions April's annual angst replaced with the option of a simpler flat tax, illegal immigrants living humanely under a temporary worker program, and political partisanship driven by weekly news conferences and British-style question periods with joint meetings of Congress.

In a speech Thursday, McCain conceded he cannot make the changes alone, but he wanted to outline a specific governing style to show the accomplishments it can achieve. He backed up his remarks with a Web ad featuring similar content.

"I'm not interested in partisanship that serves no other purpose than to gain a temporary advantage over our opponents. This mindless, paralyzing rancor must come to an end. We belong to different parties, not different countries," McCain told several hundred in the capital city of Ohio, a general election battleground. "There is a time to campaign, and a time to govern. If I'm elected president, the era of the permanent campaign will end; the era of problem-solving will begin."

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To the disdain of some fellow Republicans, the likely GOP nominee has worked with Democrats on legislation aimed at overhauling campaign finance regulations, redrafting immigration rules and regulations and implementing government spending controls.

While that has cultivated a maverick image for McCain, the Arizona senator has also been accused of exhibiting a nasty temper — swearing even at fellow lawmakers from his own party — and unabashed partisanship.

In particular, McCain has clashed with the leading Democratic presidential contender, Barack Obama. After tangling with the Illinois senator on lobbying reforms, McCain questioned Obama's integrity in a publicly released 2006 letter.

McCain wrote he had thought Obama's interest in ethics legislation "was genuine and admirable," before adding: "Thank you for disabusing me of such notions." He accused Obama of "partisan posturing."


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While calling for Congress to drop mindless partisanship, McCain also chided the media — with whom he has enjoyed a generally positive relationship — for fueling contention with its campaign coverage.

"Campaigns and the media collaborated as architects of the modern presidential campaign, and we deserve equal blame for the regret we feel from time to time over its less-than-inspirational features," he said.

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Anticipating a key achievement of his administration, McCain said: "The Iraq war has been won. Iraq is a functioning democracy, although still suffering from the lingering effects of decades of tyranny and centuries of sectarian tension. Violence still occurs, but it is spasmodic and much reduced."

Speaking to reporters afterward, McCain denied that by saying the war would be won by 2013 he was setting a timetable for U.S. withdrawal from Iraq — something he has criticized former rival Mitt Romney for doing.

"It's not a timetable; it's victory. It's victory, which I have always predicted," McCain said. "I'm not putting a date on it. It could be next month, it could be next year, it could be three years from now."


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May 1: Sen. John McCain begins his day with a cup of "Morning Joe," saying that, in the midst of the campaign, he is still incredibly focused on military and political progress in Iraq.

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He distinguished himself from Obama and fellow Democratic presidential contender Hillary Clinton, who have both pledged to begin withdrawing U.S. troops if elected in November,

"I know from experience, you set a day for surrender — which is basically what you do when you say you are withdrawing — and you will pay a much a heavier price later on," McCain said.

In a statement, Clinton dismissed McCain's promise of victory in Iraq and said he "promises more of the same Bush policies that have weakened our military, our national security, and our standing in the world."

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In outlining other potential achievements of a first term in his speech, the 71-year-old McCain implicitly was suggesting he would seek a second term, an attempt to mute suggestions he would serve only four years after being the oldest president elected.

In particular, he sees a world in which:

* The Taliban threat in Afghanistan has been greatly reduced.
* "The increase in actionable intelligence that the counterinsurgency produced led to the capture or death of Osama bin Laden, and his chief lieutenants," McCain said. "There still has not been a major terrorist attack in the United States since Sept. 11, 2001."
* A "League of Democracies" has supplanted a failed United Nations to apply sanctions to the Sudanese government and halt genocide in Darfur.
* The United States has had "several years of robust growth," appropriations bills free of lawmakers' pet projects known as "earmarks," public education improved by charter schools, health care improved by expansion of the private market and an energy crisis stemmed through the start of construction on 20 new nuclear reactors.

McCain also pledges to halt a Bush administration practice of enacting laws with accompanying signing statements that exempt the president from having to enforce parts he finds objectionable.

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Speaking to reporters afterward, McCain denied that by saying the war would be won by 2013 he was setting a timetable for U.S. withdrawal from Iraq — something he has criticized former rival Mitt Romney for doing.

"It's not a timetable; it's victory. It's victory, which I have always predicted," McCain said. "I'm not putting a date on it. It could be next month, it could be next year, it could be three years from now."
Okay people, we're going to do an exercise in imagination and suspension of disbelief. Try to read the preceding and pretend it does not contain any contradictions or outright lies within it. Let us know how far you have to turn your intelligence down to do this.
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I do like the part where he promises to build new nuclear reactors, though he's off by an order of magnitude.
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I wonder if the upcoming election has anything to do with this sudden timetable for getting out...
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Adrian Laguna wrote:I do like the part where he promises to build new nuclear reactors, though he's off by an order of magnitude.
No he isn’t, the American nuclear industry cannot jump right from building zero civilian nuclear power reactors for some two decades right into mass producing five hundred at once. A similar bottleneck is going to exist for building the 2 million horsepower steam turbine the size of a small apartment block that has to go with each of them. Construction will have to ramp up slowly, allowing time to train more people to build and operate the things, and allowing for decent quality control which will ensure the new generation of reactors are completely safe (and thus not scuttled by bullshit politics).
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Sea Skimmer wrote:No he isn’t, the American nuclear industry cannot jump right from building zero civilian nuclear power reactors for some two decades right into mass producing five hundred at once.
Okay, you're right, he did say "starting construction" not "planning to build".
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Adrian Laguna wrote: Okay, you're right, he did say "starting construction" not "planning to build".
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Anticipating a key achievement of his administration, McCain said: "The Iraq war has been won. Iraq is a functioning democracy, although still suffering from the lingering effects of decades of tyranny and centuries of sectarian tension. Violence still occurs, but it is spasmodic and much reduced."

Speaking to reporters afterward, McCain denied that by saying the war would be won by 2013 he was setting a timetable for U.S. withdrawal from Iraq — something he has criticized former rival Mitt Romney for doing.

"It's not a timetable; it's victory. It's victory, which I have always predicted," McCain said. "I'm not putting a date on it. It could be next month, it could be next year, it could be three years from now."
Wow isn't that wonderful its:

1) A "vision" not an actual plan so pesky things like details aren't required

2) Americans are STILL dying anyway, just a heck of a lot slower

3) 2013 is a fantasy date even by the end of the questioning, he littlerally admits that "I'm not going to put a date on it" so 2013 was literally pulled out of his ass.

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Oni Koneko Damien wrote:
Maverick McCain
I swear, if I hear that stupid misnomer one more fucking time.
I think it's a rather apt nickname, I mean what does a Maverick do better?
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He's even more deluded than I thought. Seriously, what democratic nations will give a damn about the Darfur enough to apply real force (economic sanctions, military intervention, etc.) on Sudan? Every democratically elected government leader will have to explain to their voters, "Why should we risk OUR lives and those of OUR fathers, sons, and brothers for THEM?" and after the disaster that's Operation Iraqi Freedom, I think people worldwide will be VERY reluctant to approve of anything stronger than harsh words.

Unless we suddenly discover there's more oil in the Darfur than Kuwait (and even if we do, the Sudanese will likely give China first dibs, considering the loans the Chinese government is giving them), I doubt this "League of Democracies" will ever materialize to stop the genocide in Darfur.
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Ghetto edit: the various democracies MAY support military intervention in Darfur IF the Sudanese government provides asylum for terrorists who just pulled off a 9-11 style attack, as they did in Afghanistan. However, I doubt the Sudanese government will be that stupid.
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Those gun nuts do not understand the meaning of "overkill," and will simply use weapon after weapon of mass destruction (WMD) until the monster is dead, or until they run out of weapons.

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Raving lunatic wrote:The Iraq war has been won.
They are commiting suicide at the gates of Baghdad! Glory to God! :roll:
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Maverick McCain
I swear, if I hear that stupid misnomer one more fucking time.
I think it's a rather apt nickname, I mean what does a Maverick do better?
No no no. THIS is the far more apprpos metaphor for the sort of "Maverick" The Gimp truly is:

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Flagg wrote:weekly news conferences and British-style question periods with joint meetings of Congress.
The US President doing PMQs? That would be well worth watching :D
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Requiring the President to do a President's Questions weekly to a joint session of Congress would be awesome, likewise for a regular direct press conference as well.
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Illuminatus Primus wrote:Requiring the President to do a President's Questions weekly to a joint session of Congress would be awesome, likewise for a regular direct press conference as well.
That is actually a good idea that the Senator is proposing, though I doubt he'd follow through with it.
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$10 says that if hell freezes over and he wins the GE, he'll have a "senior moment" and forget he every said such a thing.
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General Schatten wrote:
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Maverick McCain
I swear, if I hear that stupid misnomer one more fucking time.
I think it's a rather apt nickname, I mean what does a Maverick do better?
I like the nickname the Stephanie Miller Show has given hime "Grampy McSame"
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Adrian Laguna wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:Requiring the President to do a President's Questions weekly to a joint session of Congress would be awesome, likewise for a regular direct press conference as well.
That is actually a good idea that the Senator is proposing, though I doubt he'd follow through with it.
Americans are quite happy treating their President with the reverence that was once given to royalty or which is presently given to "spiritual leaders". I honestly think the idea would be a very hard sell with a large bloc of the public. Just look at how many people (including members of this board) say stupid mindless things like "you should respect the office of the president, even if you don't respect the man occupying it".
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Flagg wrote:$10 says that if hell freezes over and he wins the GE, he'll have a "senior moment" and forget he every said such a thing.
Wilson suggested the implementation of Question Time too. I think the reason he didn't involved him realizing that people would be able to call him on the gigantic pile of bullshit he'd been accumulating. We got the State of the Union speech instead.
Darth Wong wrote:Americans are quite happy treating their President with the reverence that was once given to royalty or which is presently given to "spiritual leaders". I honestly think the idea would be a very hard sell with a large bloc of the public.
I think a guy like Obama, oozing in charm and charisma, would be able to sell it without much difficulty. A good way to do so would be to phrase it in a manner such as "addressing the concerns of the public in a manner more interactive than the usual White House press release". However, while I like the idea of Question Time, I find myself feeling uneasy at some of the ways it could be abused. The Republicans would probably spend a lot of time and effort trying to come-up with loaded or misleading questions to make the President look bad. Imagine if all the questions are the political equivalent of "have you stopped beating your wife yet?", even a smart guy like Obama would likely trip-up eventually.
Just look at how many people (including members of this board) say stupid mindless things like "you should respect the office of the president, even if you don't respect the man occupying it".
Since when do people level criticism at the Presidency that is not directed at the man holding it? *shakes head* "stupid mindless" is right.
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