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PHOENIX, Ariz. - President Bush on Tuesday helped raise about $2.5 million for the man he hopes will succeed him, but did it in private amid questions about whether the unpopular president hurts John McCain's chances in the November election.

After a 90-minute fund-raiser out of the public eye, McCain rode to the airport with Bush in his limousine and gave a brief wave to photographers and reporters before the president boarded Air Force One. Neither spoke a word.

"Every shot that comes out through Election Day where McCain is sharing a podium with the president is going to be a day when more ammunition is provided for the Democrats for the fall campaign," said Anthony Corrado, a professor of government at Colby College in Maine.

The president's remarks to donors originally were scheduled to be public, but McCain refuses media coverage of fund-raisers so Bush's event was moved to a private residence, where it was secluded from reporters. Sources close to the campaign said McCain was to raise about $2.5 million there.

Refilling the coffers
Bush, whose popularity rating is at a record low, 23 percent in the latest Reuters/Zogby poll, is on a three-day fund-raising tour to help fill McCain coffers, but the candidate is skipping the other two private fund-raising events in Utah on Wednesday that the president will headline for him.

"On the one hand they want to keep their distance from the president in order to avoid being cast as a third Bush term, yet at the same time they need to tap into the fund-raising capacity of the president," Corrado said.

Despite wrapping up the Republican nomination, McCain has lagged his Democratic rivals in raising money even though they have not finished their contest. McCain raised $18.5 million in April while New York Sen. Hillary Clinton pulled in $21 million and Illinois Sen. Barack Obama attracted $30.7 million.

As Democrats try to make the "third Bush term" label stick, McCain has tried to walk a delicate balance, supporting Bush on his Iraq war approach while parting ways on issues like how to address global climate change.

The latest Reuters/Zogby poll found Bush's approval rating fell 4 percentage points to 23 percent, a record low for pollster John Zogby. Congress fared worse, however, falling 5 points to 11 percent.

Traveling on official business?
In a time-honored practice by presidents on the trail, Bush has scheduled non-campaign events on his three-day, five-state trip, which helps defray the enormous costs of hosting the presidential entourage for which candidates must pay.

Bush stopped at a cable plant in Mesa, Ariz. that makes wiring for military and commercial aircraft and he said the economic stimulus package approved by Congress to ward off a recession "is just beginning to kick in and it's going to make a positive contribution to economic growth."

In addition, Republicans are talking openly about the difficulties they face holding on to the White House and retaking control of Congress in November, noting the unpopular war in Iraq that has lasted years longer than expected.

They also point to the teetering economy as well as soaring gasoline and food prices. Plus, Republicans in recent months have lost three special elections for vacant seats in the House of Representatives in districts they have traditionally held.

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In a sign Bush's problems likely extend beyond the top of the ticket, the other two fund-raisers the president will attend this week for Republicans seeking seats in the House are also closed to the media.

"The political atmosphere facing House Republicans this November is the worst since Watergate and is far more toxic than the fall of 2006 when we lost 30 seats," Rep. Tom Davis, a Virginia Republican, said in a memo to fellow Republicans.

Democrats now hold a 236-199 advantage in the House. Republicans have seen some 28 members decide to retire or seek another office, versus seven Democrats. Senate Democrats only have to defend 12 seats versus 23 Republicans must guard.

Bush will help raise money in two key swing congressional districts on the trip: New Mexico's open first congressional district and Kansas' third district, where Republicans are trying again to knock out Democratic Rep. Dennis Moore.

"He is poisoning the well for Republican congressional candidates and for John McCain," said Larry Sabato, director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia. "I think McCain's chances depend in part on whether Bush and his White House team can manage to get Bush up around 40 (percent) again," referring to the president's approval rating.

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Good job McSame. Hitch your wagon to the one guy with the longest record of treason, most destructive policies, and lowest approval ratings in the entire history of the Republic.

Short of any cloak-and-dagger shit (aka Treason) by the American Right as alluded to by Hildebeast, we may as well start calling Barack "Mr. President".
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Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:Good job McSame. Hitch your wagon to the one guy with the longest record of treason, most destructive policies, and lowest approval ratings in the entire history of the Republic.
It's hard to tell from the article, but it looks like Bush is trying to hitch his wagon to McCain - not the other way around.
Short of any cloak-and-dagger shit (aka Treason) by the American Right as alluded to by Hildebeast, we may as well start calling Barack "Mr. President".
It's actually pretty close. In fact, going by current polls, 2008 will be the same for 2004 except McCain will take New Hampshire, Obama will take Colorado - and Obama will take Ohio.

Of course, by today's polls Obama will win a close victory - but if McCain manages to steal Ohio and another swing state (Something in New England, maybe) - then McCain will be able to win.
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CaptainZoidberg wrote: It's actually pretty close. In fact, going by current polls, 2008 will be the same for 2004 except McCain will take New Hampshire, Obama will take Colorado - and Obama will take Ohio.

Of course, by today's polls Obama will win a close victory - but if McCain manages to steal Ohio and another swing state (Something in New England, maybe) - then McCain will be able to win.
I wouldn't put too much stock in current polls for how things will swing in the general election. They might be close now but keep in mind that the Democrats haven't even properly begun campaigning for the general, they're still too focused on the primaries. Once Obama starts paying attention to these states after the nomination is cinched, I'd expect a major change in their direction.
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Stas Bush wrote:What can be more of a political suicide than campaign with a talking Chimp?
McCain basically has no real winnign options (other than forsaking the Republican nomination and running as an Independent) because:

A) If he completely shuns Bush then all of the W cronies and their money, which is one of only three sources of cash currently available in Republican circles, go far away. So basically he gets rid of the neo-cons and 30-40% of his fundraising.

B) If he completely shuns Bush then on top of ditching Hagee he will lose the money from the religious right, which is one of the other source of free flowing cash in Republican circles. Bush is still near and dear to the fundies and right now they represent a good 30-40% of the electorate in states McCain is going to have to fight for (see also rural ohio, bumfuck PA and retarsville Florida) so ditching Bush just compounds McCains problems in getting these folks out.

C) If he does this it means he is left with business lobbying groups as his sole source of remaining cash. Now currently because Obama hasn't been able to train his guns on him full time McCain has escaped much of his lobbying hypocrisy but if he alienates the far right then the pro-business Club for Growth folks (who are already pissed off at the suppossedly more environmentally friendly McCain of late) become his only revenue stream and he HAS to bring them onboard full throttle. In tun this means using lobbyist money to prove that lobbyists don't unfairly influence his cmpaign (just as he used fundie money to try and prove he isn't trying to ally himself with the fundies).

So basically McCain HAS to embrace Bush because otherwise he has no revenue, no footsoldiers, and no electorate and no chance. As it is he will have to walk a delicate tightrope of being enough like Bush for the Republicans and unlike Bush enough for the Independents. I just can't see him maintaining that through the rest of the year given the kind of money and media Obama will be able to put into play.
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CmdrWilkens wrote:
McCain basically has no real winnign options (other than forsaking the Republican nomination and running as an Independent) because:

A) If he completely shuns Bush then all of the W cronies and their money, which is one of only three sources of cash currently available in Republican circles, go far away. So basically he gets rid of the neo-cons and 30-40% of his fundraising.
So the neo-cons would prefer an Obama presidency?

Frankly, the neo-cons aren't exactly in a position to be picky about who they throw their lot behind, and for them McCain is a much better president than Obama. So really, no matter how much McCain moves away from their ideals (within reason, of course), they'll still support him because he's better for their interests than Obama.
B) If he completely shuns Bush then on top of ditching Hagee he will lose the money from the religious right
Why would he lose their money? Even if he shuns the religious right, they'll still see him as infinitely better than Obama.
which is one of the other source of free flowing cash in Republican circles. Bush is still near and dear to the fundies and right now they represent a good 30-40% of the electorate in states McCain is going to have to fight for (see also rural ohio, bumfuck PA and retarsville Florida) so ditching Bush just compounds McCains problems in getting these folks out.
McCain has a very large lead in Florida, and Obama has a significant lead in Pennsylvania.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... orida.html

As of today it looks like Ohio and the Western States will be the focus of this election, with the possibility of McCain taking chunks of New England.
So basically McCain HAS to embrace Bush because otherwise he has no revenue, no footsoldiers, and no electorate and no chance. As it is he will have to walk a delicate tightrope of being enough like Bush for the Republicans and unlike Bush enough for the Independents. I just can't see him maintaining that through the rest of the year given the kind of money and media Obama will be able to put into play.
McCain won the Republican nomination quite handily, even with the more hardcore Republicans preferring Huckabee. Why? The right-wing Republicans realized they were in no position to be picky, and had to pick someone that would win the general election.

Likewise, the hardcore right-wing conservatives today realize that McCain will have to shun them a little bit to win the election. But they'll still support him because he's better than Obama.
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CaptainZoidberg wrote:But they'll still support him because he's better than Obama.
Obviously this is a choice between two alternatives:
1) Supporting McCain no matter how completely he alienates you, just because he is wearing the (R) tag, basically flushing your money down the toilet.
2) Giving money to Obama, who is a (D) anyway--flush money down the toilet again.

Way to ignore the very obvious third option, genius:
Stay home for the 2008 election cycle.

The amount of stumbling McCain has been doing with respect to his cash on hand, particularly contrasted with the way that the RNC generally is doing (as usual, awash in cash for the convention) indicates that some of the big money players in the GOP are holding out on him.
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CaptainZoidberg wrote:
CmdrWilkens wrote:
McCain basically has no real winnign options (other than forsaking the Republican nomination and running as an Independent) because:

A) If he completely shuns Bush then all of the W cronies and their money, which is one of only three sources of cash currently available in Republican circles, go far away. So basically he gets rid of the neo-cons and 30-40% of his fundraising.
So the neo-cons would prefer an Obama presidency?
I'm going to address it here and then snip out its repeats in the rest of your post:

This is a HUGE Black/White fallacy. You are ocntending that the only Options for neo-cons/religious right/Republicans in general is to eitther vote for McCain and give him money or vote for obama and give him money.

Realistically much as with the questions regarding the black vote if Hillary were to steal the nomination what we won't see is a defection. Those constituencies are NOT going to vote for a democrat (just as the black vote will not go Republican in any meaningful way). What will happen is this:

1) Some will support third party candidates, neo-cons and the pro-business guys might go libertarian and the religious fundies have always threatened to get Hucksterto run as an independent.

2) Many will just stay at home and not vote, for some who do vote for mcCain their wallets will remain sealed shut. They won't give him a dime but they will bother to vote more against a Democrat than for McCain.

3) The rest will hold their nose and vote for McCain but, again, if he pises them off then they won't givehim their money. Already we see this problme that he has raised less than 1/3 what Bush had through this point in '04 and his fundraising sitll trails Hillary despite having wrapped up the nomination. The (R)s may vote for him but not with their wallets.

You will hear about every 30min if you tune in to CNN or FauxNews about the need to bring out the base. That is the challenge for any candidate, to get enough people to just show the fuck up at the polls. When half the electorate stays home to begin with you understand just how important it is to motivate every possible voter toget to the pollbecause you've already lost half of them even before you begin campaigning and the more you lose the more likely you are to lose.
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McCain has a very large lead in Florida, and Obama has a significant lead in Pennsylvania.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... orida.html

As of today it looks like Ohio and the Western States will be the focus of this election, with the possibility of McCain taking chunks of New England.
Try this palce out for size. If you want to see where the battlegrounds are then just look at the swing state board to the right. It looks to be heavily weighted towards OH, PA, and MI with lesser emphasis on VA, IN, WI, CO, and FL. Simply put Obama has about a solid lock on the West Coast, a good showing in the mountain west, strong in the upper midwest, and unbeatable in the NE (aside from New Hampshire).

The flip side to all of thsi is that Obama's support has tended to swing about 10-15% higher once Clinton is out of the polling picture. Give him an across the board 10% jump and all of a sudden the Mountain West is a lock, the NE is solid including New Hampshire, and Obama is competing to win in places like MO, VA, and FL.
So basically McCain HAS to embrace Bush because otherwise he has no revenue, no footsoldiers, and no electorate and no chance. As it is he will have to walk a delicate tightrope of being enough like Bush for the Republicans and unlike Bush enough for the Independents. I just can't see him maintaining that through the rest of the year given the kind of money and media Obama will be able to put into play.
McCain won the Republican nomination quite handily, even with the more hardcore Republicans preferring Huckabee. Why? The right-wing Republicans realized they were in no position to be picky, and had to pick someone that would win the general election.

Likewise, the hardcore right-wing conservatives today realize that McCain will have to shun them a little bit to win the election. But they'll still support him because he's better than Obama.
Look at the most recent Republican primary, the one in Kentucky. McCian, despite being the nominee in all but legal standing he only got 72% of the vote. That means 28% of Republicans voting in an uncontested primary (in all but name) STILL want anybody except McCain. These folks are going to either not vote or they will defect to somebody like Bob Barr and the Libertarians. You don't have to support your party's candidate because like half of your neighbors you could just stay the fuck home and ALL of the indication are that right now the relgiious right, the neo-cons, and quite a few others are more than happy to stay the fuck home rather than vote for McCain. Oh sure if Hillary was running they would vote against her but thesefolks don't have any animosity towards Obama in person (aside from being black) so they just will stay home and not vote.
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