Elfdart wrote:
Because his actions at Qibya, Sabran and Shatilla are straight out of the SS playbook.
Do you mean the actions of Christian Lebanese Phalangists, who were auxiliaries somewhere in his overall force, with their own chain of command?
It's appropriate to assign Sharon some responsibility for Sabra and Shatila, because he was Defense Minister and the massacres happened in areas under IDF control.
But equating Sharon with the SS is over-the-top silly.
Using proxies to do your dirty work hardly exonerates you. Or do you also think the Bush Administration's practice of shipping off suspects to eastern Europe and Syria for "interrogation" absolves them of the charge of torture in those cases?
If I smear honey all over you and shove you into a bear cage, can I say "Hey, it wasn't my fault, it was the bear"?
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I heard that in medieval times, Jews were asking a similar question when Jewish travellers were kidnapped by corsairs. If you ransom them, the kidnappers could be encouraged to continue kidnapping Jews.
Elfdart wrote:
Because his actions at Qibya, Sabran and Shatilla are straight out of the SS playbook.
Do you mean the actions of Christian Lebanese Phalangists, who were auxiliaries somewhere in his overall force, with their own chain of command?
It's appropriate to assign Sharon some responsibility for Sabra and Shatila, because he was Defense Minister and the massacres happened in areas under IDF control.
But equating Sharon with the SS is over-the-top silly.
Using proxies to do your dirty work hardly exonerates you. Or do you also think the Bush Administration's practice of shipping off suspects to eastern Europe and Syria for "interrogation" absolves them of the charge of torture in those cases?
If I smear honey all over you and shove you into a bear cage, can I say "Hey, it wasn't my fault, it was the bear"?
I didn't suggest that Sharon is exonerable. So far as I know, Sharon did not instruct or incite the militias to attack those camps. The reason he bears some responsibility is that the Israelis operating on the ground failed to prevent the attacks, and as Minister of Defense he's ultimately accountable for that failure.
If I'm missing information that undermines that narrative, I'm open to seeing it.
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Kanastrous wrote:I didn't suggest that Sharon is exonerable. So far as I know, Sharon did not instruct or incite the militias to attack those camps. The reason he bears some responsibility is that the Israelis operating on the ground failed to prevent the attacks, and as Minister of Defense he's ultimately accountable for that failure.
If I'm missing information that undermines that narrative, I'm open to seeing it.
He allowed the butchers to enter the camps, and allowed the slaughter to go on for three days while his soldiers guarded the camp from the outside so that none of the occupants could escape. What do you call that?
Even an Israeli inquiry held him responsible, and recommended that he not hold public office again. Naturally, the Israeli people voted him Prime Minister.
"It's not evil for God to do it. Or for someone to do it at God's command."- Jonathan Boyd on baby-killing
"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC
"I do not believe Russian Roulette is a stupid act" - Embracer of Darkness
"Viagra commercials appear to save lives" - tharkûn on US health care.
Israel should have traded them 5 corpses for 2. Or 5 live men for 2.
Not 5 live men for 2 corpses.
The welcome-back party thrown in these monsters' honor should have had cluster bombs dropped on it.
But, fuck it, this thread will go nowhere. I thought there was a moratorium on Israel-Lebanon threads anyways?
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:I do have to admit that coffins rigged with explosives would be an awesome assassination technique.
Adds also a deterrence to Hamas and Hezbollah's unfortunately bad habit of kidnapping soldiers, only to kill them later or something of the like.
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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:I do have to admit that coffins rigged with explosives would be an awesome assassination technique.
Adds also a deterrence to Hamas and Hezbollah's unfortunately bad habit of kidnapping soldiers, only to kill them later or something of the like.
I don't believe that you can meaningfully deter HAMAS and Hizbullah.
You can only try to kill them faster than they can kill you. Something at which the IDF has become pretty adept, with an attendant price in Palestinian civilian lives.
I find myself endlessly fascinated by your career - Stark, in a fit of Nerd-Validation, November 3, 2011
Faqa wrote:I am sickened by the whole affair and throughly disgusted with the leadership of this country. Olmert traded a child-killer, four terrorists, and 100+ dead bodies in exchange for two dead soldiers and a fake report.
In what world does this make sense? .
In the world where Israel bombed a country back into the stone ages for one kidnapped soldier?
