Palin's email hacked

[Edi]

The Register[/url], but it may be relevant. The people responsible may end up not being as anonymous as they thought...

Certain "anonymous" morons may just get some quality time with the nice people who protect the President and the candidates.

if the original person is right about only having one proxy, (the michellemalkin link) the person might end up getting arrested; or "Vanned" in their dialect.

That depends on whether the owner of the proxy maintains logs. Not everyone logs every transaction; comprehensive logs use up a lot of server disk space after all. Even the Secret Service can't force the proxy owner to give up that which does not exist, assuming the proxy is even located in the United States.

The Register article linked earlier actually has a quote from the person who runs the proxy service that he saved some serious amount of logs from that period of time after the hack became public because he does not approve of using his service for illegal actions. It's also a good ass-covering move since he hasn't done anything illegal himself.

[Sephirius]

As posted in the other thread, here are some of the screencaps.

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[RedImperator]

It was already publicly known that Palin has been using a Yahoo account to conduct government business, most likely in order to dodge executive records laws. The Wonder Chimp's administration invented this trick, conducting government business (probably illegal, like the discussions that led to the US attorney firings) on RNC servers.

I usually don't condone cracking, even if the victim is an idiot like Palin who used a password vulnerable to a dictionary hack. However, it's at least even money Palin was using the Yahoo account to break the law in a place she could destroy the evidence. So fuck her. She was going to get away with it scot-free, and now if there's anything dirty in there, it's going to be blasted all over the Internet. It may not be admissible in court, but it could cause a gigantic stink at a bad moment for the McSame campaign. At the very least, I hope it's embarrassing.

[Edi]

Best of both worlds outcome, if it were to happen, Palin gets this giant cauldron of liquid shit upended on her and the crackers behind this get nailed by the server logs.

Zero sympathy for Palin in this case, fuck her long and hard in the ass.

[Themightytom]

It was already publicly known that Palin has been using a Yahoo account to conduct government business, most likely in order to dodge executive records laws. The Wonder Chimp's administration invented this trick, conducting government business (probably illegal, like the discussions that led to the US attorney firings) on RNC servers.

All off this tells me it might NOT be a good idea for the CIA to start using a facebook clone to disseminate global intelligence, it will probably end up being an encrypted cigarette filled room that politicians are granted access to for "security purposes" but also serves as a secure communciations network that has limited oversight.

[raptor3x]

If I ever used a personal e-mail account for work related communications I have no doubt that I would be fired, blacklisted, and then brought up on export control charges. I'm just a measly engineer, this woman is a freaking governor.

Are you saying they should just ignore the fact that the hacking itself was illegal even though she might have been using her email for illegal activity?

I don't think I ever mentioned anything about the hacking of the e-mail account, I was only talking about the use of a personal e-mail account for official business. On a side note, I'm a bit confused about what you're saying here. Did you mean "because" instead of "even though"?

By that logic, you might also say that because a woman was in a bad part of town at night and got raped, the rape was her fault for being there.

I think a more appropriate analogy would be that a woman was accused of being a drug dealer because her purse was stolen and returned to the police, who found drugs in a hidden pocket. The analogy suggests that she did nothing wrong. If we were arguing that it was her fault for using a simple password/security question, then the analogy would be valid.

[General Zod]

I don't think I ever mentioned anything about the hacking of the e-mail account, I was only talking about the use of a personal e-mail account for official business. On a side note, I'm a bit confused about what you're saying here. Did you mean "because" instead of "even though"?

Minor technicality that's largely irrelevant to my point, since I don't really know what the content of her email is (since I haven't seen anything outright condemning that puts a nail in the coffin myself); but no biggie if you weren't dismissing the hacker's actions. My only beef is people only wanting one side to get in trouble with this incident. (Fuck em both as far as I'm concerned).

[Justforfun000]

Am I being uncharitable to hope that Palin says something really damning like, "We have to bullshit so much by pretending to care about the rights of evil degenerates like homosexuals and those dirty sluts who keep getting pregnant before marriage"

[Tanasinn]

Am I being uncharitable to hope that Palin says something really damning like, "We have to bullshit so much by pretending to care about the rights of evil degenerates like homosexuals and those dirty sluts who keep getting pregnant before marriage"

Considering what utter morons these people are and the threat they pose to the country, no. I genuinely hope for a major scandal like that in the McCain camp.

[CaptJodan]

Am I being uncharitable to hope that Palin says something really damning like, "We have to bullshit so much by pretending to care about the rights of evil degenerates like homosexuals and those dirty sluts who keep getting pregnant before marriage"

You assume too much. That wouldn't be damning to the people Palin already appeals to. It MIGHT sink McCain's numbers some (though I thought a bigger sink would happen after countless bold-faced lies that he's put out, but we've already seen studies that show that doesn't matter) for those fence-sitters, but she'd likely get more of the hardcore conservative vote with that statement alone. Hell, any conservative wavering on who to vote for because they see their pocketbook is empty and get that bad feeling that maybe McCain isn't up for the job might just swing back with Palin saying something like that.

Do not underestimate the darkside here.

[Surlethe]

Conducting government business from a yahoo acount is so enourmously grossly negligent that they should fire her from office. There is guaranteed to be some information in there that she is supposed to keep confidential, and for this "hack" she clearly bears the vast majority of the blame.

What? She bears the blame because some no-life losers with nothing better to do hacked her email account? By that logic, you might also say that because a woman was in a bad part of town at night and got raped, the rape was her fault for being there.

I think that as Governor, Palin would have a Top Secret/SCI security clearance. That's about the highest level of clearance you can get in the government, and with that clearance come extraordinarily tight rules about how to properly handle information. It looks like Palin committed violations of all sorts of policy regulations in government relating to security of data by using her private email for government business. The fact that these idiots performed an illegal act by attacking her private email account is largely immaterial.

I was contesting the assertion that she is to blame for the hacking, not trying to excuse her violation of public trust.

[Justforfun000]

You assume too much. That wouldn't be damning to the people Palin already appeals to. It MIGHT sink McCain's numbers some (though I thought a bigger sink would happen after countless bold-faced lies that he's put out, but we've already seen studies that show that doesn't matter) for those fence-sitters, but she'd likely get more of the hardcore conservative vote with that statement alone. Hell, any conservative wavering on who to vote for because they see their pocketbook is empty and get that bad feeling that maybe McCain isn't up for the job might just swing back with Palin saying something like that.

Do not underestimate the darkside here.

Yeah, you're absolutely right. I have this knee-jerk reaction that assumes most people would react like the average Canadian and be appalled at such bigoted and judgmental attitudes, but I'm forgetting that those are considered vitues by the core constituency of the GOP.

[GySgt. Hartman]

I was contesting the assertion that she is to blame for the hacking, not trying to excuse her violation of public trust.

1) If there was classified information in her account, then she is to blame for disseminating that information. If the CIA went around and sent secret documents by mail, because it's illegal to open mail, or held phone conferences on unsecured links, because wiretapping is illegal, they were to blame for the bad things that would happen, because they were not exercising the caution required of them. Of course it's bad to open mail or hack into an email account, but it's even worse to store that kind of information unsecured.

2) If she was using a weak password like her username or "jesussaves", then she bears part of the blame for the "hack". If you live in a neighborhood where crimes are commited on a daily basis (which the internet is), and you don't lock your door at night, your insurance will not pay in full for stolen items.

I'm not excusing the kids who did that, they should be punished the same as anyone who makes a lucky password guess at yahoo.

[Phil Skayhan]

I think that as Governor, Palin would have a Top Secret/SCI security clearance.

I don't think so. She might receive briefings but not up to the level you suggest.

[Sephirius]

I was contesting the assertion that she is to blame for the hacking, not trying to excuse her violation of public trust.

1) If there was classified information in her account, then she is to blame for disseminating that information. If the CIA went around and sent secret documents by mail, because it's illegal to open mail, or held phone conferences on unsecured links, because wiretapping is illegal, they were to blame for the bad things that would happen, because they were not exercising the caution required of them. Of course it's bad to open mail or hack into an email account, but it's even worse to store that kind of information unsecured.

2) If she was using a weak password like her username or "jesussaves", then she bears part of the blame for the "hack". If you live in a neighborhood where crimes are commited on a daily basis (which the internet is), and you don't lock your door at night, your insurance will not pay in full for stolen items.

I'm not excusing the kids who did that, they should be punished the same as anyone who makes a lucky password guess at yahoo.

Apparently the password was 'popcorn'.
Dictionary attackers: 1, Palin: 0.

[phongn]

Some notes:

1. Her password was not "popcorn."
2. She might not have had anything particularly incriminating on that account.

Wired has posted the original note from 4chan, quoted below.

rubico 09/17/08(Wed)12:57:22 No.85782652

Hello, /b/ as many of you might already know, last night sarah palin’s yahoo was “hacked” and caps were posted on /b/, i am the lurker who did it, and i would like to tell the story.

In the past couple days news had come to light about palin using a yahoo mail account, it was in news stories and such, a thread was started full of newfags trying to do something that would not get this off the ground, for the next 2 hours the acct was locked from password recovery presumably from all this bullshit spamming.

after the password recovery was reenabled, it took seriously 45 mins on wikipedia and google to find the info, Birthday? 15 seconds on wikipedia, zip code? well she had always been from wasilla, and it only has 2 zip codes (thanks online postal service!)

the second was somewhat harder, the question was “where did you meet your spouse?” did some research, and apparently she had eloped with mister palin after college, if youll look on some of the screenshits that I took and other fellow anon have so graciously put on photobucket you will see the google search for “palin eloped” or some such in one of the tabs.

I found out later though more research that they met at high school, so I did variations of that, high, high school, eventually hit on “Wasilla high” I promptly changed the password to popcorn and took a cold shower…

>> rubico 09/17/08(Wed)12:58:04 No.85782727

this is all verifiable if some anal /b/tard wants to think Im a troll, and there isn’t any hard proof to the contrary, but anyone who had followed the thread from the beginning to the 404 will know I probably am not, the picture I posted this topic with is the same one as the original thread.

I read though the emails… ALL OF THEM… before I posted, and what I concluded was anticlimactic, there was nothing there, nothing incriminating, nothing that would derail her campaign as I had hoped, all I saw was personal stuff, some clerical stuff from when she was governor…. And pictures of her family

I then started a topic on /b/, peeps asked for pics or gtfo and I obliged, then it started to get big

Earlier it was just some prank to me, I really wanted to get something incriminating which I was sure there would be, just like all of you anon out there that you think there was some missed opportunity of glory, well there WAS NOTHING, I read everything, every little blackberry confirmation… all the pictures, and there was nothing, and it finally set in, THIS internet was serious business, yes I was behind a proxy, only one, if this shit ever got to the FBI I was fucked, I panicked, i still wanted the stuff out there but I didn’t know how to rapidshit all that stuff, so I posted the pass on /b/, and then promptly deleted everything, and unplugged my internet and just sat there in a comatose state

Then the white knight fucker came along, and did it in for everyone, I trusted /b/ with that email password, I had gotten done what I could do well, then passed the torch , all to be let down by the douchebaggery, good job /b/, this is why we cant have nice things.

[Saxtonite]

this is what I was referring to in the last post that I could not find about one anon reportedly releasing it in 2 days or so


http://www.jumpingeoffs.com/admits.html

my fellow /b/rothers, in 2 days the rest of the Palin emails will be leaked by members of the Legion. 3 minutes before a newfag and possible moralfag changed the password, screenshots of all the emails got taken by a fellow /b/rother in california who has since sent them off to a safe location in a foreign country. The emails are being examined at this moment. The truth will be known that Sarah Palin was using her yahoo account to circumvent the FOIA that could possibly be used against her in a Federal investigation. The most I can say from what I have been told in IRC is this, YOU WILL BE SHOCKED BY THE CONTENTS. The emails will be released slowly so the media can slowly digest each one. Anonymous always delivers.
We are Anonymous.
We are Legion.
We do not Forgive.
We do not Forget.

[Covenant]

While this is interesting, simply posting garbage from 4chan is not news, nor is it important to post every minor development. It makes more sense to wait a bit until there's something to interpert and perhaps it's been reported on already. It just seems a bit unseemly to do text dumps from 4chan to here. Those who read 4chan can simply read it there, those who don't probably avoid it on purpose.

[Surlethe]

Then the white knight fucker came along, and did it in for everyone, I trusted /b/ with that email password, I had gotten done what I could do well, then passed the torch , all to be let down by the douchebaggery, good job /b/, this is why we cant have nice things.

Who the fuck trusts /b/?

At the end of the day, Anonymous is anonymous because most people on the internet have neither the time nor resources to dig up faces for them. The Secret Service do that sort of thing for a living. I have no doubt that, eventually, these b-tards will get knocks on their parents' doors by men in suits and sunglasses asking to chat.

... but in the meantime, I hope that some good evidence of Palin trying to evade laws turns up.

[irishmick79]

I think that as Governor, Palin would have a Top Secret/SCI security clearance.

I don't think so. She might receive briefings but not up to the level you suggest.

I was thinking from a law enforcement perspective she would need that kind of clearance to deal with the Feds in matters involving Alaska. I would also think that the some parts of the energy and defense issues she deals with up there would be considered extremely sensitive, thus requiring a greater clearance.

At least from the Federal perspective, it seems that most Special Agents in Charge of a local office are cleared up to Top Secret/SCI - if the government feels it's necessary to clear SACs up to that level, why wouldn't they clear the governor for that level? It just seems that it would make things easier for everybody to clear her.

[Phil Skayhan]

I think that as Governor, Palin would have a Top Secret/SCI security clearance.

I don't think so. She might receive briefings but not up to the level you suggest.

I was thinking from a law enforcement perspective she would need that kind of clearance to deal with the Feds in matters involving Alaska. I would also think that the some parts of the energy and defense issues she deals with up there would be considered extremely sensitive, thus requiring a greater clearance.

At least from the Federal perspective, it seems that most Special Agents in Charge of a local office are cleared up to Top Secret/SCI - if the government feels it's necessary to clear SACs up to that level, why wouldn't they clear the governor for that level? It just seems that it would make things easier for everybody to clear her.

Quite simply, unlike the SACs, she doesn't need to know. It may be likely that she'd be briefed from info originally ts/sci but that has been sanitized for dissemination.
Governors do have clearances, but I don't believe they get access to secure compartmentalized info. By definition, that info is tightly controlled.

[Elfdart]

So wait, it is ok for the Republican's to read my personal e-mails without permission (and listen to my phone conversations), but if we do it to them it is an "outrage"?

If Caribou Barbie has nothing to hide, why does she care if anyone reads her e-mail?

Since Congress gave retroactive immunity to the phone companies for illegally tapping phones and reading e-mail, whoever hacked Palin's account deserves immunity, too.

[Cyborg Stan]

I know this is pretty serious, but I couldn't help to chuckle at how her e-mail was 'hacked'. Using the password reminder feature, Google and Wikipedia?

[Count Chocula]

So wait, it is ok for the Republican's to read my personal e-mails without permission (and listen to my phone conversations), but if we do it to them it is an "outrage"?

If Caribou Barbie has nothing to hide, why does she care if anyone reads her e-mail?

Since Congress gave retroactive immunity to the phone companies for illegally tapping phones and reading e-mail, whoever hacked Palin's account deserves immunity, too.

Ender, the government can read your e-mail and listen to your phone calls, supposedly for only 48 hours, before they need a warrant. In reality, the government can and does listen in whenever and wherever desired. It's not a Democrat vs. Republican issue, it's an Orwell/Big Brother issue.

Elfdart, how would you feel if someone hacked your e-mail account? You may not have anything racy or illegal in it, but dammit it's yours and nobody else's. These sucknuts should be tracked down and given the Mitnick treatment, at a minimum. Ditto if they'd hacked Obama's e-mail (not that they'd find much of substance there!). The target of the hacking didn't matter - the hack is still a crime.

The telcos have been coerced into providing at-will taps to the feds. FCC, anyone? Interstate Commerce Commission? If you're Verizon, you don't want them on your ass. And, their immunity is reinforced by the full integrity, and slanted courts, and loaded guns of the US Government. Kinda hard to fight that.

[Duckie]

Technically, isn't evidence gathered illegally also inadmissible in a court of law? Or has that provision been overturend?

If so, it doesn't matter what is found on there, even child porn, she can't be charged for it.