Presidential Debates Thread [26.9.08]

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RedImperator wrote:
Tribun wrote:I just found this:
Better watch this...
Wait...the message here is, "Barack Obama agrees with John McCain. Is he ready to lead? No!" So...he's not ready to lead because...he agrees with John McCain?
It said exactly that. Wonder what kind of tactic this is supposed to be?
Btw., it seems Letterman is really pissed at McCain: Letterman's further reactions
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McCain's ad taking advantage of Obama's bipartisanship honestly wasn't very impressive at all. I expected better.
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I guess these are the McTracts we'll see till November. I wanna say he could've chosen better but I won't entirely discount them sounding like scything criticisms after all the airtime they'll get.

I think the idea of taking advantage of the bipartisanship is to show Obama's just trying to co-opt John's ideas, whether or not he himself came to them as well independently. Presenting them in a vacuum of context also fails to point out where Obama agrees, then goes on to disagree on major points, which is the POINT obviously, the hope being it looks like Obama's just grasping for straws or out of his element and follows McCain's lead.

I think.
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I find this here interesting, as Obama shows that he really meant it when he said that a president should be capable of more than one task at the same time:
Obama spokesman: Obama both negotiating and campaigning

Obama Campaign spokesman Bill Burton issued the following statement:

Today, as John McCain sat in his condominium in Arlington, Senator Obama spoke directly with more than 20,000 voters in North Carolina as well as Congressman Barney Frank, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Senator Harry Reid to discuss on-going negotiations.
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I love how he thinks that permitting diplomatic contact with nations who disagree with us is "legitimizing" them. It's this same absurd mindset that drives some conservatives to surround themselves with yes-men and flatterers who repeat their talking points: they cannot abide disagreement from the way they want to do things.

I wonder, if how would McCain advise me to behave if my wife came to me one day with the idea to buy a car. Would he advise me to talk to her about it? Or would he counsel me to give her the cold shoulder, since sitting and working out a compromise with her would "legitimize" her demands?
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Stas Bush wrote:
As well as fighting transnational crime.
That's right. Destroying those overpowered mafiosi could and should've been a point for friendship. And i think it still should be.

However, instead a lot of the leaders of those mega-cartels reside in Britain or US, even as charges are lobbed at them in Russia, applied for "political asylum".

I wonder how the US would have reacted if Russia at some time gave 'asylum' to a high-profile mafia boss... someone of Corleone's style ;)
Well, given how the US reacted when Vyacheslav Ivankov got acquitted in the Russian courts, I imagine they would be raging mad. Do you know if Semion Mogilevich is out of Russian prison yet? He's a pretty major mafia boss who got arrested in January, and I haven't seen an update on his status since then. He's responsible for basically creating a phony company in canada, offering public stock on it and taking the profits.
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I split the Russia discussion to here.
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Re: Presidential Debates Thread [26.9.08]

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I know this has nothing to do with the debates themselves, but I don't want to open a new thread. I found this picture at electoral-vote, and I think it says a lot about the trouble McCain is in, as it shows the true proportions of the sates for the presedential elections.
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