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[Op/Ed] No 2nd Great Depression

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WaPo Editorial
No Depression
This Time, Uncle Sam Has Got Our Back

By Laurence J. Kotlikoff and Perry Mehrling
Thursday, October 9, 2008; Page A21

Global markets have not been reassured by the coordinated interest rate cuts of several central banks or by recent congressional action, but they should be. Our bet is that financial markets will return to normal in short order and that the U.S. economy will squeak by with a moderate recession. Recapitalizing the banks and working out mortgages will take time, but the financial system will not collapse -- the government won't let it.

The markets, of course, seem to be factoring in some probability of collapse. Why is this wrong?

For starters, the biggest subprime mortgage gamblers have already failed, been nationalized or been married off, shotgun-style, to banks run by grown-ups. Yes, lots of small shoes may still drop, but the Paulson "buy-up" bill, and, ultimately, the Fed's ability to print money, provides the Treasury and Federal Reserve all the tools they need. The media don't seem to have noticed, but Section 113 of the bill authorizes government capital infusions into the banking system as necessary -- something the British government is now doing and the Swedish government successfully did in the recent past. That means any bank with a viable business will not be allowed to fail simply because it is temporarily undercapitalized.

Second, Uncle Sam (a.k.a. Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson and Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke) is doing precisely what's needed to avoid the mistakes of the 1930s. With credit markets drying up, he's turning on the faucet by recycling our panic dollars back into the financial market.

The government is taking in our money (in exchange for Treasury bills) and using it to make mortgages and buy up the assets we're too scared to hold. It's doing this via the Treasury, the Fed, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., the Federal Housing Administration, the Federal Home Loan Bank, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and other appendages. It's starting to lend directly to large and small businesses whose usual sources of credit have become unavailable.

In short, Uncle Sam is becoming our new bank. He has also become our new insurance company with his effective purchase of the world's largest insurer -- AIG.

In the 1930s, nobody in the private sector could borrow, raise equity or sell insurance because everyone lost trust in everyone else. Uncle Sam stood on the sidelines and marveled at the chaos. But today Uncle Sam is saying, "Listen, if you households and firms are too scared to invest in each other or sell each other insurance, give us your money, and we'll do it for you. We'll pay you a sure return on the Treasuries and, if our investments and insurance sales do well, you'll benefit by paying lower taxes."

This may sound like socialism or state capitalism, but it's simply rearranging the financial furniture. As Americans have freaked out, Uncle Sam has stepped up. He'll continue doing so until we realize the sky is not falling. The $700 billion rescue authorizes the federal government to keep doing what it has been doing for the past year to the tune of $400 billion -- buying distressed assets at bargain-basement prices and selling insurance at high premiums. If all works out, Uncle Sam will make a killing. This would be great, given our government's real problem -- paying the long-term Social Security and medical costs of retiring baby boomers.

Point three is clear: This financial chaos has ruined our sleep but left our physical and human capital unscathed. We have the same productive capacity today we had a year ago. And if our capital hasn't changed, we've suffered no overall capital loss.

This means that our accounting, which has focused on financial losses, is missing lots of offsetting financial gains. The offsetting gains are accruing to current or prospective purchasers of the assets whose market values have dropped. Asset buyers, whether they are young people buying their first homes, middle-aged workers contributing to their 401(k)s or billionaires such as Warren Buffett buying financial firms, can now acquire homes and stocks (claims to the same capital inside the companies) at a roughly one-third discount from a year ago. That's great for them, and lousy for the rest of us, but not a net economic tragedy.

The economic tragedy comes if we get hypnotized by the bad news, ignore the good news, fight about things we're already doing (e.g., having Uncle Sam buy and insure troubled assets) and pull our economic heads inside our shells. We Americans have lots of moxie. What we need is a strong pep talk and absolute assurance that credit will continue to flow, that insurance policies will continue to be honored, and that Uncle Sam is willing and able to invest directly in the private economy on our behalf.

So after scaring us half to death, this would be a good time for our other uncles -- Hank and Ben -- to make clear that we're heading for a safe landing and that there is no way in hell they will let this economy go down the tubes.

Laurence J. Kotlikoff, a professor of economics at Boston University, is co-author of "Spend 'Til the End." Perry Mehrling is a professor of economics at Columbia University's Barnard College and author of "Fischer Black and the Revolutionary Idea of Finance."
I find four things interesting. First, it calls the nationalization of the failing financial industry a simple "rearrangement of the financial furniture". Could this be a representative of a change in the attitude of economists toward government intervention? He seems to be of the opinion that this government intervention will be fine, so long as it's handled responsibly (which, liberals charge, the government never does). Second, I didn't see any mention at all of the effect of the deficit-buying all of these assets on the financial industry; what will happen to the government's credit rating? Sure, the government might make a killing in a few years when things are back on the upswing (assuming the oil crash doesn't burn us first), but what about the effects in the interim? Third, I find it interesting that the net capital in the US remains unchanged, which means that the productivity of the economy as a whole is the same as last year. (Yes, that doesn't mean the benefits trickle down.) Fourth, does anyone else find it funny that one of the authors wrote a book entitled "Spend 'til the End"? I wonder what that says about his mindset ... .

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Re: [Op/Ed] No 2nd Great Depression

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Well he's certainly right about the grown ups being put in charge. Wachovia, Washington Mutual, Bear Stearns, AIG, Lehman Brothers, etc. etc. were doomed and known to be doomed for a long time. Call me when Wells Fargo is going under.

I wouldn't be so sure about the unchanged productive capital.

We have a number of factors that limit net economic production - increases in oil prices, increases in population, reduced land to support it with, a failing health care system and a faltering education system all compound the central panic issue - investors need confidence to invest in the creation of new jobs so that people can work.

On the other hand, this is balanced by the progress of technology in general. Ethanol may be a dead end, but algacultured biodiesel could replace the entirety of Earth's petroleum needs, on top of being a net carbon sink. People's driving habits are changing and so are shipping habits - jobs coming back to the United States as shipping costs rise and people in India and China begin to demand relatively high wages.

Warren Buffet is not concerned about the long-term health of the US economy and I'm not either, to be honest. We could really do with kicking short-term thinkers out of the decisionmaking processes that drive this country (or any country) however.
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Uh, guys...
FTSE in freefall as panic spreads

Shares on the London Stock Exchange have gone into freefall as panic spreads across the world markets

More than 400 points were wiped off the FTSE 100 in devastating early session trading taking it well below the 4000 level before it staged a slight recovery. By 11.42am it was 335.4 points lower, almost 8 per cent, at 3978.4.

It was the first time the index had fallen below the 4000 barrier since 2003 and means the top flight has now lost almost 20 per cent of its value since the start of the week.

The falls followed similarly dramatic overnight losses on Wall Street and in Asia. Japan's benchmark Nikkei 225 index closed 881 points down in its worst session since Black Monday in 1987 while the Dow Jones Industrial Average ended below 9000 for the first time since 2003.

Banking stocks are among the worst affected with the Government's bail-out package failing to reassure panicked investors. Halifax Bank of Scotland was off 16 per cent or 24.7p at 128.8p and Royal Bank of Scotland down 13.9p at 82.1p, a fall of 14 per cent.

Barclays was off 18 per cent or 44.35p to 197.3p as it said it was considering a number of capital raising options in light of the UK government's £25 billion industry-wide recapitalisation offer.

Insurers are also taking a hammering with falls compounded by news that Japanese life insurance firm Yamato Life Insurance Co had collapsed - the first financial firm in Japan to fail due to losses linked to the global financial crisis.

The latest slump came despite co-ordinated interest rate cuts and this week's efforts by the UK Government to bolster UK banks.

Henk Potts, director of investment strategy at Barclays Stockbrokers, said: 'I think it's very close to panic. We are drowning in a sea of red numbers and fundamentals have gone out the window.'

He added: 'Investors are concerned about the exacerbation of the credit crunch and the gloomy forecasts for economic growth.

'The reality is that most investors have been spooked by the sheer pressure that the credit crunch is putting on the global economy.'

Matt Buckland, a trader at CMC Markets, said markets were reeling because of recession fears and the fact that the fire-fighting efforts of central banks worldwide had not resulted in any thawing of interbank lending.

He said: 'US and European taxpayers have collectively tried to dig the financial sector out of one almighty hole but the response certainly hasn't been as planned.'

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Proof of credit is being affected for shipping now. There are grain cargoes piling up in ports. If this isn't sorted out NOW, we won't have an economy.
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The author completely neglects the credit & debt markets, when they seize up as they're doing right now, everything implodes. Everything.

Here's a link to the grain situation mentioned by Valdy-pooh.

Financial Post link
Grain shipments stalled in credit drought
John Greenwood, Financial Post Published: Tuesday, October 07, 2008

The credit crisis is spilling over into the grain industry as international buyers find themselves unable to come up with payment, forcing sellers to shoulder often substantial losses.

Before cargoes can be loaded at port, buyers typically must produce proof they are good for the money. But more deals are falling through as sellers decide they don't trust the financial institution named in the buyer's letter of credit, analysts said.

"There's all kinds of stuff stacked up on docks right now that can't be shipped because people can't get letters of credit," said Bill Gary, president of Commodity Information Systems in Oklahoma City. "The problem is not demand, and it's not supply because we have plenty of supply. It's finding anyone who can come up with the credit to buy."

So far the problem is mostly being felt in U.S. and South American ports, but observers say it is only a matter of time before it hits Canada.

"We've got a nightmare in front of us and a lot of people are concerned it's going to get a lot worse," said Anthony Temple, a grain marketing expert based in Vancouver.

The port troubles occur as financial institutions worldwide experience an unprecedented level of failures; even the strongest global banks are taking shelter in government bailouts. Tuesday, the U.K was expected to invest as much as £45-billion ($87.01-billion) in three of the country's biggest banks, while the U.S. government rushed to put in place its US$700-billion rescue package for beleaguered financial market players. Ottawa has so far resisted pleas for direct financial aid for exporters.

Access to credit is key to the survival of maritime trade and insiders now say the supply is being severely restricted. More than 90% of the world's trade by volume goes by ship.

The Baltic Dry Goods Index, the main measure of shipping rates, is down 74% from its high back in May when trade with China was still strong.

"The credit crisis has made banks nervous and the last thing on their minds is making fresh loans," Omar Nokta, an analyst at investment bank Dahlman Rose, said in an interview with Reuters.

While shipping has always been a cyclical industry whose fortunes rise and fall with the global economy, analysts said the current crisis over the drying up of credit is something they have never seen before.

Jason Myers, head of the Canadian Manufacturers and Exporters, said exporters across Canada are getting caught up in the turmoil as customers delay payments, forcing them to shoulder the cost.

"What some companies are saying is we can't pay you until our customer pays us, so it becomes a question of who bears the financial risk and the cost," Mr. Myers said. "We're hearing about it more and more."

What that means is that manufacturers are getting hit as revenue slows and long-time customers disappear from the order book altogether. As profits decline, investment in product development starts to fall, too, he said.

The Canadian Wheat Board, one of the world's biggest grain marketers, has yet to refuse a customer because of poor credit, according to a spokesperson. "As of this moment we haven't run into that problem," said Maureen Fitzhenry.

Officials at Viterra, Canada's leading grain handler, were not immediately available for comment.

The meltdown in financial markets has resulted in a dramatic slowdown in maritime trade, with major ports in Canada and the United States preparing for sharply reduced activity after several of the busiest years on record.

Statistics from the Port of Vancouver have yet to officially register a drop but at Long Beach and Los Angeles, among the biggest U.S ports, imports have already declined 9% this year.
If this keeps up and spreads, the economy will be the least of our problems.
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Let's see... 5 lbs of flour per week... 20 lbs per month... hm... where can I put 120 to 240 lbs of flour in this place? (That's a 6 month to 1 year supply).

More on topic - how fucked up does an economy have to be to have problems moving FOOD of all things? C'mon - buy HAVE TO buy food, right? It's a tangible item, not paper wealth.
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Due to the collapse of Icelandic banks, the UK is currently out over 10 billion pounds, and Iceland really doesn't have that money. What's more, Britain has been threatening to freeze Icelandic assets in the UK.
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CaptainChewbacca wrote:Due to the collapse of Icelandic banks, the UK is currently out over 10 billion pounds, and Iceland really doesn't have that money. What's more, Britain has been threatening to freeze Icelandic assets in the UK.
Details are thin but it seems that has already happened:
ABC wrote:Iceland has accused the British Government of helping to bring down its troubled banking system after the United Kingdom used anti-terrorism legislation to freeze Icelandic assets in Britain.

Britain has frozen the assets of Icelandic banks and companies in the UK and the Government has pledged to take action against the Icelandic authorities to recover investors' money that is tied up in Iceland's failed banks.

They have guaranteed British savers that they will receive all their savings and the British Government plans to take legal action against Iceland to recoup the losses.

Iceland has blamed the UK for the collapse of its largest bank overnight and Iceland's stock exchange suspended trading for two days to stop further panic spreading throughout the country's financial markets.

Iceland has struggled to cope with the global financial crisis.

The country is on the verge of bankruptcy and now the Iceland stock exchange has closed for trading for two days.

It will reopen on Monday.

The decision to suspend trading comes on the same day as Iceland's largest bank, Kaupthing, became the third bank to be taken over by the country's government in the past week.

Local councils in the UK have also been hit hard by the collapse of Iceland's banks.

They have invested around $2 billion in cash in banks in Iceland and that money is now at risk.
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