Obama Prime Time Special Talkback

[Broomstick]

Chernobyl kinda pissed off even those of us in favor of nuclear technology. Any way you look at it, it was a fuck up of epic proportions.

[ray245]

Chernobyl kinda pissed off even those of us in favor of nuclear technology. Any way you look at it, it was a fuck up of epic proportions.

I mean before that incident, people still have love for the atomic age, and in the 60s, people even dream up concept of atomic cars for crying out loud.

Now, chances of a nuclear powered car can't even register on anyone's mind.

[Ghost Rider]

Chernobyl kinda pissed off even those of us in favor of nuclear technology. Any way you look at it, it was a fuck up of epic proportions.

I mean before that incident, people still have love for the atomic age, and in the 60s, people even dream up concept of atomic cars for crying out loud.

Now, chances of a nuclear powered car can't even register on anyone's mind.

Then you have one fucked up world view, given that Three mile Island STILL scares the yokels even if the whole thing was a favorable handling of said power. And that was well before Chernobyl.

Again try and do research and not just wistful press the submit button.

[ray245]

Chernobyl kinda pissed off even those of us in favor of nuclear technology. Any way you look at it, it was a fuck up of epic proportions.

I mean before that incident, people still have love for the atomic age, and in the 60s, people even dream up concept of atomic cars for crying out loud.

Now, chances of a nuclear powered car can't even register on anyone's mind.

Then you have one fucked up world view, given that Three mile Island STILL scares the yokels even if the whole thing was a favorable handling of said power. And that was well before Chernobyl.

Again try and do research and not just wistful press the submit button.

You misinterpret my point. What I meant to say was, people are more willingly to embrace the concept of nuclear as compared to modern day.

I should have phrased by sentences better. After the Chernobyl incident, support of nuclear power has dropped to a huge low worldwide.

It is possible for you to argue about the use of nuclear technology in the past, and the average joe may accept your arguments. Now, no matter how well you argue, people will simply bring up the Chernobyl incident, and refuse to hear any more words.

[SirNitram]

The excuse 'McCain did it', is kinda mind-wrenchingly dumb. Yea, McCain did. He also threw out stuff about terrorists, socialism, etc. Keep in mind, his actual words about nuclear power programs and safety at a rally were to just trail off with 'Blah, blah, blah'. The crowd did not respond positively to that because it was a logical choice. It responded to that because he hit the six year old in his constituents who care for nothing so much as pissing off liberals.

So no. Your goddamn pet issue was not in the limelight. Fucking deal with it. NASA was not either, you don't see me whining about it.

[Ghost Rider]

I mean before that incident, people still have love for the atomic age, and in the 60s, people even dream up concept of atomic cars for crying out loud.

Now, chances of a nuclear powered car can't even register on anyone's mind.

Then you have one fucked up world view, given that Three mile Island STILL scares the yokels even if the whole thing was a favorable handling of said power. And that was well before Chernobyl.

Again try and do research and not just wistful press the submit button.

You misinterpret my point. What I meant to say was, people are more willingly to embrace the concept of nuclear as compared to modern day.

I should have phrased by sentences better. After the Chernobyl incident, support of nuclear power has dropped to a huge low worldwide.

It is possible for you to argue about the use of nuclear technology in the past, and the average joe may accept your arguments. Now, no matter how well you argue, people will simply bring up the Chernobyl incident, and refuse to hear any more words.

I swear your fucking mind doesn't even read the posts that refuted your yabbering. Now you're focusing on something that was around....40+ years ago dumbfuck. What the hell are you fucking smoking. People more then 40 years ago had different issues and you're using this as an issue standpoint? Worse still this is to buttress the whole "McCain did it!". Your point being other then going for some half assed appeal to popularity?

Nit had it best with the NASA comment. Let it go, and again do some fucking research before hitting submit like a sixty year old dom.

[Broomstick]

You misinterpret my point. What I meant to say was, people are more willingly to embrace the concept of nuclear as compared to modern day.

I should have phrased by sentences better. After the Chernobyl incident, support of nuclear power has dropped to a huge low worldwide.

It is possible for you to argue about the use of nuclear technology in the past, and the average joe may accept your arguments. Now, no matter how well you argue, people will simply bring up the Chernobyl incident, and refuse to hear any more words.

You're full of shit and ignorant of history.

Three Mile Island was more a confirmation of peoples' fears of nuclear power than a changing of it. I'm old enough to remember the latter half of the 60's and all of the 70's. "Average Joe" was anti-nuke WELL before Three Mile Island. They were NOT embracing the concept of nuclear power in the 70's.

[Darth Wong]

Chernobyl kinda pissed off even those of us in favor of nuclear technology. Any way you look at it, it was a fuck up of epic proportions.

Unfortunately, that's a confirmation bias: people expect nuclear power to irradiate the world so when an accident finally happens, they treat it as confirmation of their beliefs. People don't expect chemical industries to pollute the world to death (even though that is actually more likely) so when something like Bhopal happens, they do not suddenly fear for their children because of the chemical plant upstream.

The same thing happens with these "slippery slope" fallacies that people worry about. They fear that any introduction of socialism will lead to a slippery slope where more and more of the economy becomes nationalized until we're in full-blown communism. They fear it because they have a prejudice in that direction, so any slight movement in that direction is treated as confirmation of the doomsday scenario. Nobody fears the opposite slippery slope, where more and more of the government becomes privatized until we see a return of medieval feudalism as a social model.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

It's not like Chernobyl was anything other than a typical Soviet engineering project fuckup. I don't know how it could scare anyone about the effects of nuclear power unless you live in a Marxist-Leninist state where this kind of blazon disregard for public safety could become part of the normal engineering culture.

[Temjin]

It's not like Chernobyl was anything other than a typical Soviet engineering project fuckup. I don't know how it could scare anyone about the effects of nuclear power unless you live in a Marxist-Leninist state where this kind of blazon disregard for public safety could become part of the normal engineering culture.

It doesn't matter. Engineers can talk until their blue in the face about the safety of nuclear power, but all the average person sees is a bunch of self serving people trying to fuck over the people to make money. If a statement can be shown to serve the person making it, and the person who hears it already has a bias in the opposite direction, the natural reaction is to dismiss it as lies.

Doesn't help that that bias is constantly reinforced due to television and movies that treat nuclear power plants like ticking time bombs waiting to explode if someone so much as stubs their toe. And the loud uneducated preachings of Greenpeace aren't of much help either.

And even before Chernobyl and Three Mile Island, the bias was still there due to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. This is a theory of course, since I was not alive then, but I imagine seeing two cities blasted of the map due to nuclear bombs, and then telling people you're going to harness this energy would have had an effect on some people without the understanding of the engineering behind it.

[The Spartan]

And even before Chernobyl and Three Mile Island, the bias was still there due to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. This is a theory of course, since I was not alive then, but I imagine seeing two cities blasted of the map due to nuclear bombs, and then telling people you're going to harness this energy would have had an effect on some people without the understanding of the engineering behind it.

You would be appalled at the number of people I've run into that are convinced that a nuclear power plant is exactly that, an atomic bomb.

Their typical response once I explain it to them is something along the lines of, "Well I still think they're dangerous."