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I put this in N&P because reading through the comments people were blaming the election of Barack Obama and discussing the politics of race:
Brooklyn Marine sergeant & wife tortured, slain in Calif.; 4 of his men are arrested

BY CORKY SIEMASZKO
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Updated Thursday, November 6th 2008, 12:30 PM
Brooklyn Marine Sgt. Jan Pawel Pietrzak and his wife, Quiana, seen in August wedding photo, were found tortured and slain Oct. 15 in their home near San Diego.

Brooklyn Marine Sgt. Jan Pawel Pietrzak and his wife, Quiana, seen in August wedding photo, were found tortured and slain Oct. 15 in their home near San Diego.

A Brooklyn-raised Marine sergeant and his new bride were tortured and killed execution-style in their California home - allegedly by four other Marines under his command.

Sgt. Jan Pawel Pietrzak, who was raised in Bensonhurst, and his wife, Quiana, were found bound and gagged in the ransacked house, each shot in the head.

Pietrzak was the suspects' sergeant at Camp Pendleton, Quiana's mother said Wednesday.

"They're monsters," Faye Jenkins told the Daily News. "They're monsters."

Pietrzak's mother, Henryka Pietrzak-Varga, said she had prepared herself "for the possibility that my son could die in Iraq."

"But to die like this, in their own home?" she told The News. "They were good kids. They didn't deserve to die like this."

Investigators said the motive for murder was "financial gain." Neither mother believes that.

"When I found out what they did to them, it was like they killed me, too," Pietrzak-Varga said.

A spokesman for the Riverside County district attorney's office would not comment on reports that Pietrzak was killed by his own men.

Detectives also did not divulge what the accused Marines were looking for, but the suspects were tied to the crime by items found in their homes and on the military base.

Born in Poland, Pietrzak was 10 when he moved to the U.S. and enlisted after the 9/11 attacks. He was named Jan Pawel, which means John Paul, after the Polish pontiff.

A mechanic who worked on helicopters, Pietrzak, 24, met his wife three years ago at a party for Marines being deployed to Iraq.

Quiana Jenkins-Pietrzak, 26, who worked for the county's Black Infant Care Center, was reluctant to date a Marine. But Pietrzak wooed her, and they were married in August.

"They were in love," her mother-in-law said. "It didn't matter to them that they had different skin colors."

The bride wore her favorite white Converse sneakers, and she was still in the process of writing thank-you cards when she was killed.

"She was our only child and my best friend," Faye Jenkins said. "He was like my son. He was so proud to be a Marine. But when he was off the base, he was my son."

The Pietrzaks were not rich and purchased their five-bedroom home in May through a foreclosure, said Waldemar Piasecki, a New York-based Polish journalist and family friend. He used his reenlistment bonus to replace the hardwood floor and carpet.

"They were hardworking young people," Piasecki said.

On Oct. 15, deputies were dispatched to the Pietrzak home in Winchester, an exurb of San Diego, when the Marine did not show up for work.

When they arrived, the deputies found the Pietrzaks in the living room and evidence that the robbers had tried to cover their tracks by torching the house.

Charged with murder and other crimes are Pvt. Emrys John, 18, of Maryland; Lance Cpl. Tyrone Miller, 20, of North Carolina; Pvt. Kevin Darnell Cox, 20, of Tennessee, and Pvt. Kesuan Sykes, 21, of California.

Lawyers for the men could not be reached for comment.

Pietrzak's mother said she can't understand how Marines could have committed such a crime.

"Don't the Marines screen out people like this?" she said. "Didn't they know they had murderers under their roof?"
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How the fuck does this have anything to do with the recent election?

Possible motives:

1) Money/financial gain - even if the couple in question didn't have money, there may have been a perception they had money.

2) Disapproval of interracial marriage - this still exists, despite the election of a man to PotUS who can clearly be called "mixed race".

3) The Sergeant was a monster to the men under his command (no indications of this from article) resulting in what is sometimes known as "fragging".

4) Drugs

5) Sex

6) Mental illness

7) The men who did it were just evil badasses.

Take your pick, any and all of the above.
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Ditto Broomstick; also, this article takes a page to say "Marine Sergeant and wife murdered." Who the hell cares that she was black; what does that have to do with anything?
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SancheztheWhaler wrote:Ditto Broomstick; also, this article takes a page to say "Marine Sergeant and wife murdered." Who the hell cares that she was black; what does that have to do with anything?
Well depending on the race of the four Marines, (all white or all black) they could be trying to insinuate that it was race related.

The writing though... Yeah, pretty bad. I almost forgot that a Marine Sergeant and his wife were killed. :roll:
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SancheztheWhaler wrote:Ditto Broomstick; also, this article takes a page to say "Marine Sergeant and wife murdered." Who the hell cares that she was black; what does that have to do with anything?
Well depending on the race of the four Marines, (all white or all black) they could be trying to insinuate that it was race related.

The writing though... Yeah, pretty bad. I almost forgot that a Marine Sergeant and his wife were killed. :roll:
Some degree of racism being involved wouldn't surprise me given three of those douchebags are from the deep south, but yeah, no reason to assume it's any kind of primary factor.
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Quiana Jenkins-Pietrzak, 26, who worked for the county's Black Infant Care Center, was reluctant to date a Marine. But Pietrzak wooed her, and they were married in August.
What's a "Black Infant Care Center"? Some kind of orphanage or adoption service? All of the google results linked to variations on this story.
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All four of the Marines who are accused of this are black. What difference that makes to anybody's racism theories I don't know, but there you go.
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RogueIce wrote:All four of the Marines who are accused of this are black. What difference that makes to anybody's racism theories I don't know, but there you go.

Besides the fact that any unit I was in was heavily mixed of white, black and latino with a sprinkling of others.
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RogueIce wrote:All four of the Marines who are accused of this are black. What difference that makes to anybody's racism theories I don't know, but there you go.
None whatsoever, really. There's some black people who find the thought of interracial marriage as repulsive as some white people.
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RogueIce wrote:All four of the Marines who are accused of this are black. What difference that makes to anybody's racism theories I don't know, but there you go.
There are black people just as opposed to interracial marriage as any Aryan group. There is also a psychological aspect to a white man "stealing" a black woman from the "black community" that goes back to white slave owners fucking black female slaves. I don't have the deep, visceral understanding of the issues, not being of such descent, but the level of potential animosity to interracial marriage shouldn't be underestimated nor should it be assumed it is limited to just one ethnic group.

Of course, the interracial aspect may have NOTHING to do with what went on in this incident. It's just bad reporting of a tragic incident.
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Frigidmagi on Librium Arcana (who was in the Marines) suspects that a drug ring may be involved. It may not have anything to do with race at all. Of course, it's all speculation at this point without any further information.
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What the heck does this have to do with Obama?

I'm guessing some kind of crime ring involved. That said, I wouldn't rule out the guy being a sufficient dick to push the suspects over the edge either - it has been known to happen.
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Mayabird wrote:Frigidmagi on Librium Arcana (who was in the Marines) suspects that a drug ring may be involved. It may not have anything to do with race at all. Of course, it's all speculation at this point without any further information.

Possible, even in my day there was gang activity there too.
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Just watch. These 4 pieces of scum that should never have been Marines can't go back to the Corps now. Where are they going to go? I doubt that such men are going to go down without a fight when they are found, and in this they may unfortunately take down still more people. :(
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I know for a fact that street gangs and other such groups will send young members into the Marines for "training", so a drug or gang related incident wouldn't surprise me at all. Of course not much surprises me anymore when it comes to heinous crimes.
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havokeff wrote:I know for a fact that street gangs and other such groups will send young members into the Marines for "training", so a drug or gang related incident wouldn't surprise me at all. Of course not much surprises me anymore when it comes to heinous crimes.
The locations they're from makes me question the street gang training angle. How prevalent are gangs in Maryland, Tennessee and South Carolina?
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havokeff wrote:I know for a fact that street gangs and other such groups will send young members into the Marines for "training", so a drug or gang related incident wouldn't surprise me at all. Of course not much surprises me anymore when it comes to heinous crimes.
The locations they're from makes me question the street gang training angle. How prevalent are gangs in Maryland, Tennessee and South Carolina?
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Morristown, TN, where my in-laws live, is a relatively small city, formerly small town, and they do have a gang problem. It's not as extensive as, say, in LA or Chicago but gangs do exist outside the big urban centers.
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havokeff wrote:I know for a fact that street gangs and other such groups will send young members into the Marines for "training", so a drug or gang related incident wouldn't surprise me at all. Of course not much surprises me anymore when it comes to heinous crimes.
The locations they're from makes me question the street gang training angle. How prevalent are gangs in Maryland, Tennessee and South Carolina?
Don't tell me you actually subscribe to the idiotic notion that people in rural areas can't be violent criminals.
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Darth Wong wrote: Don't tell me you actually subscribe to the idiotic notion that people in rural areas can't be violent criminals.
No, but the fact that they're all from such wildly different locations makes me wonder why they'd be working together if it were gang related. I'd be surprised at thugs from such random parts of the US cooperating in such a fashion if that were the case.
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Darth Wong wrote: Don't tell me you actually subscribe to the idiotic notion that people in rural areas can't be violent criminals.
No, but the fact that they're all from such wildly different locations makes me wonder why they'd be working together if it were gang related. I'd be surprised at thugs from such random parts of the US cooperating in such a fashion if that were the case.
I remember reading somewhere and someone on this forum mentioning that there are certain crime groups that have reach throughout the United States.
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Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:I remember reading somewhere and someone on this forum mentioning that there are certain crime groups that have reach throughout the United States.
The wide spred gangs often do, bloods and crips for instance. They may not necessarily orgainize on a national level the way the mob used to (and does) but when they're put together in the right situation they may join into a smaller "support group" to continue their former life.

For an example, see The Chef Jeff Project on Food Network. I've not seen the whole run but on at least one episode he had to step in and stop one of the members from calling another one blood trying to get the other member to act a certain way. And yes they had both been members of different bloods street gangs.

(I know it's not technically proper grammar but I refuse to capitalize gang names that are not proper names themselves.)
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No, but the fact that they're all from such wildly different locations makes me wonder why they'd be working together if it were gang related. I'd be surprised at thugs from such random parts of the US cooperating in such a fashion if that were the case.

Well, even though the Marines are fairly cosmopolitian in respect to large swaths of demographics, I've seen a lot of clickish behavior as well. A wannabe cowboy from a big city will fall in with the rednecks from the deep south no where's ville. A black fellow from the suburbs will fall in with the wannabe innercity gangsta-g's.

Just because they're from different part of the country, don't discount the fact they hooked up with each other in southern California.
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General Zod wrote:How prevalent are gangs in Maryland, Tennessee and South Carolina?
When I was at Ft. Bragg, I attended a class in which a local police detective warned us of gangs and extremists in the Army, like gangsters-turned-soldiers selling weapons in their unit armory, or white supremists enlisting to receive training in infantry tactics. If the gang has no branch in the neighborhood, the gang members will form one.
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