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Remember that pompous Preacher some time ago? the one who was caught with a male escort.. The one who said hed been "tempted by Satan" and then went to a series of classes to "cure" him of his homosexual urges?
Well guess whose in the news again!!!
By ERIC GORSKI, AP Religion Writer Eric Gorski, Ap Religion Writer – 2 hrs 14 mins ago
This image taken from video, supplied by Magnolia Pictures, shows the Rev. Ted AP – This image taken from video, supplied by Magnolia Pictures, shows the Rev. Ted Haggard preaching in …

DENVER – Disgraced evangelical leader Ted Haggard's former church disclosed Friday that the gay sex scandal that caused his downfall extends to a young male church volunteer who reported having a sexual relationship with Haggard — a revelation that comes as Haggard tries to repair his public image.

Brady Boyd, who succeeded Haggard as senior pastor of the 10,000-member New Life Church in Colorado Springs, told The Associated Press that the man came forward to church officials in late 2006 shortly after a Denver male prostitute claimed to have had a three-year cash-for-sex relationship with Haggard.

Boyd said an "overwhelming pool of evidence" pointed to an "inappropriate, consensual sexual relationship" that "went on for a long period of time ... it wasn't a one-time act." Boyd said the man was in his early 20s at the time. He said he was certain the man was of legal age when it began.

Reached Friday night, Haggard declined to comment and said all interviews would have to be arranged through a publicist for HBO, which is airing a documentary about him this month.

Boyd said the church reached a legal settlement to pay the man for counseling and college tuition, with one condition being that none of the parties involved discuss the matter publicly.

Boyd said a Colorado Springs TV station reached him Thursday to say the young man was planning to provide a detailed report of his relationship with Haggard to the station. Boyd said the church preferred to keep the matter private, but it was the man's decision to go public.

The disclosure comes as Haggard, 52, is about to give a series of high-profile interviews to promote the cable documentary about his time in exile. He is scheduled to appear on CNN's Larry King Live on Thursday, the date of the documentary's premiere, and already has taped "The Oprah Winfrey Show."

In early 2007, New Life Church disclosed that an investigation uncovered new evidence that Haggard engaged in "sordid conversation" and "improper relationships" — but didn't go into detail. Earlier, a church board member had said there was no evidence that Haggard had sexual relations with anyone but Mike Jones, the former male prostitute.

Haggard confessed to undisclosed "sexual immorality" after Jones' allegations and resigned as president of the National Association of Evangelicals and from New Life Church, where he faced being fired.

Anticipating criticism of the settlement with the former church volunteer, Boyd said Friday that it was in the best interests of all involved. He would not name the volunteer or the settlement amount.

"It wasn't at all a settlement to make him be quiet or not tell his story," Boyd said. "Our desire was to help him. Here was a young man who wanted to get on with his life. We considered it more compassionate assistance — certainly not hush money. I know what's what everyone will want to say because that's the most salacious thing to say, but that's not at all what it was."

He said that "secondarily, it's not great for our church either" that the story be told. Boyd said Haggard knew about the settlement two years ago.

In a letter e-mailed Friday to New Life Church members, Boyd said of the settlement and agreement not to talk: "This decision was made not as an attempt to conceal wrongdoings, but to protect him from those who would seek to exploit him. His actions now suggest that he has changed his mind."

The letter said the church "received reports of a number of incidents of inappropriate behavior" after Haggard's fall. "In each case, we have tried our very best to do the right thing each time, including disciplinary action when appropriate."

Boyd said the "inappropriate behavior" referred to the man who was the volunteer involved with Haggard. After Haggard's fall, another church staff member resigned after admitting to what was described as "sexual misconduct."

Boyd said the church will not take action against the man if he tells his story in the press.

"We have legal standing to do that, but not the desire to," he said.

Boyd said he had spoken to the man once and came away with the impression that he was speaking out because of the documentary. "I think what caused this young man to be a bit aggravated was Ted being seen as a victim, when he himself had experienced a great deal of hurt," Boyd said. "I seriously doubt this man would have come forward if the documentary had not been made."

A spokeswoman for the documentary, "The Trials of Ted Haggard," declined to comment Friday.

David Clohessy, national director of SNAP, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests — which has largely focused on the Catholic sexual abuse scandal but also speaks out on cases involving Protestant clergy — said the new disclosures about Haggard are more disturbing because they involves a church volunteer.

"Technically, legally, they were both adults," Clohessy said. "Psychologically and emotionally, Haggard was dramatically more powerful. ... By definition, any sexual contact between a congregant and minister is inherently abusive and manipulative."

In an AP interview this month before an appearance in front of TV critics in California, Haggard described his sexuality as complex and something that can't be put into "stereotypical boxes."
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...the gay sex scandal that caused his downfall extends to a young male church volunteer who reported having a sexual relationship with Haggard...
Sounds almost like a porn. :lol:
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You literally could not make this shit up. People would find it contrived and unbelievalbe if you wrote this into a serious book.
And poor poor Ted. Yeah, he's got it tough right now I tell you, tough!
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Is there anything more hypocritical than your average born again evangelical?
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Your above average born again evangelical?
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This story really warms my heart. I saw Jesus Camp, I know what a total dick this guy is, and the first incident that got him was already wonderful. It's horrible to say, but I still hope his life continues to proceed downhill from here.

I love the bold part by the way...only HIS sexuality is complex and can't be put into a stereotypical box. That's perhaps the strongest wall of ignorance I've ever seen. How did he keep a straight face in that interview?
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Atlan wrote:You literally could not make this shit up. People would find it contrived and unbelievalbe if you wrote this into a serious book.
And poor poor Ted. Yeah, he's got it tough right now I tell you, tough!
I remember a few years back, must be when I was still a lurker, Darth Wong mentioned he suspected certain vitriolic priests were really closet homosexuals. Guess we could make this up after all, it just so happens what we made up turned out to be true. :lol:
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I'm curious what people think about this part:
"Technically, legally, they were both adults," Clohessy said. "Psychologically and emotionally, Haggard was dramatically more powerful. ... By definition, any sexual contact between a congregant and minister is inherently abusive and manipulative."
I'm not sure I agree, but I'm having trouble articulating why.

Also,
mr friendly guy wrote:I remember a few years back, must be when I was still a lurker, Darth Wong mentioned he suspected certain vitriolic priests were really closet homosexuals. Guess we could make this up after all, it just so happens what we made up turned out to be true. :lol:
I think it was Durandal who pointed out that normal straight guys simply don't experience homosexual temptation. Therefore, the preachers and priests who are talking about how it's so important to resist homosexual temptation must be themselves experiencing it, which implies that they're at least bisexual.
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Surlethe wrote:I'm curious what people think about this part:
"Technically, legally, they were both adults," Clohessy said. "Psychologically and emotionally, Haggard was dramatically more powerful. ... By definition, any sexual contact between a congregant and minister is inherently abusive and manipulative."
I'm not sure I agree, but I'm having trouble articulating why.
Because the mere possession of power is not, by itself, the same as being abusive and manipulative. The problem was not Haggard's power, but that in a more specific term Haggard was a formalized figure of authority to this young man. Essentially, their roles were those of teacher and student. Haggard then used that power to procure the services of a younger man, thereby placing him in an unwinnable situation, one in which held greater and far more dire consequences for him than for Haggard, were they to be caught.

A dramatic difference of power is, I would argue, never a healthy thing in any relationship. But Haggard did something beyond that: he pressured the congregant into an act that would be reviled by the congregation. That's abuse of power, especially since shit flows downward and would primarily impact him rather than Haggard.
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Surlethe wrote:I'm curious what people think about this part:
"Technically, legally, they were both adults," Clohessy said. "Psychologically and emotionally, Haggard was dramatically more powerful. ... By definition, any sexual contact between a congregant and minister is inherently abusive and manipulative."
I'm not sure I agree, but I'm having trouble articulating why.

As much as I hate Haggard and almost everything he stands for, it's an attempt by the article author to make him somehow seem worse than he actually is. It seeds the idea of PAEDOPHILE in your mind, even though you consciously know he isn't one. The phrase "young male" is used for a 21-25 year old; that's a man, not a "young male". I especially like the "technically, legally" wording, as if he was just on the border (i.e. 18 years and 1 day old, or whatever the legal limit is there) rather than actually, quite a few years older, a fully grown man, capable of drinking, voting, dying for his country, driving, marrying, being a father etc, who knew exactly what he was doing.

The idea is to make the younger guy appear to be some sort of "victim" here. It was entirely consentual (apparently. *shrug*).

It's a very biased article with misleading wording, or perhaps if not that, wording that can be misconstrued or misinterpreted.

I spotted it also, but didn't make a point of it.
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http://www.hbo.com/events/trialsoftedhaggard/index.html
A documentary about Haggard premieres on HBO on thursday night. I have a feeling it will be sympathetic, but I will still tune in for delicious schadenfreude. Hell I might even watch with the sound on mute and just see his pained expressions.
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