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Breaking on CNN:

A U.S. Navy submarine collided with a Navy amphibious ship Friday in the Strait of Hormuz, mildly injuring 15 sailors, according to the commander of the U.S. Fifth Fleet.

The submarine, the USS Hartford, collided with the USS New Orleans about 1 a.m. in the strait, which runs between Iran and the Arabian Peninsula.

Fifteen aboard the Hartford were injured but returned to duty, according to a news release.

"New Orleans suffered a ruptured fuel tank, which resulted in an oil spill of approximately 25,000 gallons of diesel fuel marine," the release said.
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Source?

I wonder how often something like this happens and just how truly avoidable are these incidents?
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Zixinus wrote:Source?
CNN linka. And the article:
(CNN) -- A U.S. Navy submarine collided with a Navy amphibious ship Friday in the Strait of Hormuz, mildly injuring 15 sailors, according to the commander of the U.S. Fifth Fleet.
The submarine USS Hartford and amphibious ship USS New Orleans are shown in Navy photos.

The submarine USS Hartford and amphibious ship USS New Orleans are shown in Navy photos.

The submarine, the USS Hartford, collided with the USS New Orleans about 1 a.m. in the strait, which runs between Iran and the Arabian Peninsula. It is one of the busiest commercial routes for oil tankers.

Fifteen aboard the Hartford were injured but returned to duty, according to a news release.

Both vessels are operating on their own power.
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The nuclear propulsion plant on the 362-foot-long sub was not damaged, but "New Orleans suffered a ruptured fuel tank, which resulted in an oil spill of approximately 25,000 gallons of diesel fuel marine," the release said.

The New Orleans is capable of carrying almost 1,100 troops and crew. The Hartford carries about 145 sailors.
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MKSheppard wrote:Breaking on CNN:

A U.S. Navy submarine collided with a Navy amphibious ship Friday in the Strait of Hormuz, mildly injuring 15 sailors, according to the commander of the U.S. Fifth Fleet.

The submarine, the USS Hartford, collided with the USS New Orleans about 1 a.m. in the strait, which runs between Iran and the Arabian Peninsula.

Fifteen aboard the Hartford were injured but returned to duty, according to a news release.

"New Orleans suffered a ruptured fuel tank, which resulted in an oil spill of approximately 25,000 gallons of diesel fuel marine," the release said.
1 a.m. in a crowded strait...hmmm

Doesn't say if they were going one way or the other, part of the same ESG transiting the strait, etc.
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Wow. The New Orleans is a bloody new ship. Talk about taking a big dent early in the career.
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What's with the big huge thick polygonal macks on the New Orleans.? Is there something important housed in there, or just uptakes for the powerplant...?
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Kanastrous wrote:What's with the big huge thick polygonal macks on the New Orleans.? Is there something important housed in there, or just uptakes for the powerplant...?
Part of the ship's radar system is housed in those. I believe the shaping is for stealth.
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Kanastrous wrote:What's with the big huge thick polygonal macks on the New Orleans.? Is there something important housed in there, or just uptakes for the powerplant...?
They're the new version of masts. They reduce radar cross-section while also improving the serviceability of radars by protecting them from the weather. They also stop people like me photographing the antennas and deducing all sorts of interesting things. Those masts are tough; One of the LPD-17s was in dock, fitting out, when Katrina struck. The ship's anenometer went off the gauge at 170 knots but the masts and contents were completely undamaged.

What happened in this collision? Either Hartford was running fast and simply didn't know New Orleans was there or New Orleans was running fast and Hartford got zoofed.
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Stuart wrote:They're the new version of masts. They reduce radar cross-section while also improving the serviceability of radars by protecting them from the weather. They also stop people like me photographing the antennas and deducing all sorts of interesting things. Those masts are tough; One of the LPD-17s was in dock, fitting out, when Katrina struck. The ship's anenometer went off the gauge at 170 knots but the masts and contents were completely undamaged.
Would it have been possible to house a phased array radar inside those or too thick?
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Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Would it have been possible to house a phased array radar inside those or too thick?
One could put a phased array in there or alternatively use the faceted phase for the antennas. The structures look really odd but actually they're a very good idea. Give us all sorts of options we didn't have before. They're pretty light too, one of the advantages of the composites they use.
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Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Would it have been possible to house a phased array radar inside those or too thick?
One could put a phased array in there or alternatively use the faceted phase for the antennas. The structures look really odd but actually they're a very good idea. Give us all sorts of options we didn't have before. They're pretty light too, one of the advantages of the composites they use.
So the entire phase array could be housed beneath the mast. Ok, could that mean that similar technology could be employed in a future "Aegis" system?

I'm guessing that they are employing similar techniques to which they use in optics coating with regards to wavelength selectivity.
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Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:I'm guessing that they are employing similar techniques to which they use in optics coating with regards to wavelength selectivity.
Plenty of radio antenna have been covered before with some sort of weather shield, this just sorts of takes it to the next level.
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Stuart wrote:
They're the new version of masts. They reduce radar cross-section while also improving the serviceability of radars by protecting them from the weather. They also stop people like me photographing the antennas and deducing all sorts of interesting things.

You don't photograph those things. People like me photographed those things.


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I can see from your avatar that you've got the skinny on the Texas, for sure...
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Actually, he does take pictures. I've seen photographs credited to his name; e.g. Stuart Slade, Forecast International in my copy of World Naval Weapons.
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Kanastrous wrote:I can see from your avatar that you've got the skinny on the Texas, for sure...
Oh, I just got that off of Google when the dude with the Vanguard Avatar was yakking about roads being "pork".
Actually, he does take pictures. I've seen photographs credited to his name; e.g. Stuart Slade, Forecast International in my copy of World Naval Weapons.
Well, my pictures were not intended for General audiences. :D Any photos of ships you see that I've posted were taken with my personal camera, not the Fancy-shmancy Canon something or other the USN had me use.
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