GOP: We're done apologizing for our mistakes.(Seriously.)

[The Spartan]

See, I don't understand that thinking. "McCain wasn't conservative enough so the people voted the most liberal candidate ever into office!" What the hell sense does that make?

(Note that I'm not actually saying Obama is particularly liberal; I'm just using their rhetoric to make a point.)

[Teebs]

See, I don't understand that thinking. "McCain wasn't conservative enough so the people voted the most liberal candidate ever into office!" What the hell sense does that make?

(Note that I'm not actually saying Obama is particularly liberal; I'm just using their rhetoric to make a point.)

Presumably the idea is that lots of Republicans stayed at home because he couldn't inspire them, hence losing the election (obviously I'm not saying this is actually true).

[The Spartan]

Yeah, but when you factor in the people that still voted for Obama? I'm thinking of people like our own Glocksman. See his sig banner for what I'm talking about. "Bitter reformed rednecks for Obama"

[Teebs]

Yeah, but when you factor in the people that still voted for Obama? I'm thinking of people like our own Glocksman. See his sig banner for what I'm talking about. "Bitter reformed rednecks for Obama"

The attitude is clearly "ultra-liberal got those East Coast hippies out, but our RINO couldn't get decent folk into the booths." Bitter reformed rednecks have just been corrupted by the liberal conspiracy.

[Darth Wong]

Yeah-- "We made a mistake in not being conservative enough!"

Seriously, that has been something of a mantra I hear from conservatives in the wake of the John McCain run. They want to become more far-right on all things.

Who sees, maybe, a "Romney-Palin" ticket in 2012? A lot can happen between now and then, but... hmmm.

It's nothing new. The dust hadn't even settled on the World Trade Centre destruction in 2001 when the conservatives began saying that they should have been more conservative. Dinesh D'Souza was a big proponent of this viewpoint, arguing that if Americans suppressed womens' rights and became a theocracy, then Muslim fundamentalists wouldn't hate them so much, and 9/11 might not have happened.

This is a recurring theme in conservative political thought: "whatever the problem is, we can solve it by being even more conservative", as if you judge the wisdom of an idea simply by determining how conservative it is.

[Crossroads Inc.]

This is a recurring theme in conservative political thought: "whatever the problem is, we can solve it by being even more conservative", as if you judge the wisdom of an idea simply by determining how conservative it is.

i think this explains much of the conservative ideology as well as how they see the world. Unless an idea begins as being somewhat conservative, they reject it out of hand. if you look at the history of the far right by and large, they do not negotiate or discuss, it has always been a "my way or the high way" approach.

It is one more reason why the party seems to be eating itself alive. Those in power simply cannot accept any ideas other then conservative ones. Anything that might actually help the GOP right now is rejected for not being "conservative enough"

[Surlethe]

This is a recurring theme in conservative political thought: "whatever the problem is, we can solve it by being even more conservative", as if you judge the wisdom of an idea simply by determining how conservative it is.

Of course, this makes perfect sense when we view conservatism as an ideology. The ideology must be correct, so success has to be correlated to ideological correctness; if we were unsuccessful, we must have been ideologically incorrect. Therefore, we must become more dogmatic! (It's not even restricted to politics; my in-laws are doing that right now with their remaining children.)

[Lord of the Abyss]

"Change comes in a tea bag" ?

*snickers* That makes me think more of the slogan of Voodoo donuts (The magic is in the hole!) in Portland than of a political party. They still haven't figured out what teabagging means, have they? Well, I'll give them a hint: It's when you suck your anonymous bathroom gay sex partner's balls.

Really? This might be a national difference or something but I thought it was when you lowered your balls onto the face of someone who was sleeping.

American here; I've heard it used both ways.

[SirNitram]

Yeah-- "We made a mistake in not being conservative enough!"

Seriously, that has been something of a mantra I hear from conservatives in the wake of the John McCain run. They want to become more far-right on all things.

Who sees, maybe, a "Romney-Palin" ticket in 2012? A lot can happen between now and then, but... hmmm.

It's nothing new. The dust hadn't even settled on the World Trade Centre destruction in 2001 when the conservatives began saying that they should have been more conservative. Dinesh D'Souza was a big proponent of this viewpoint, arguing that if Americans suppressed womens' rights and became a theocracy, then Muslim fundamentalists wouldn't hate them so much, and 9/11 might not have happened.

This is a recurring theme in conservative political thought: "whatever the problem is, we can solve it by being even more conservative", as if you judge the wisdom of an idea simply by determining how conservative it is.

It's one of the few logical follow-throughs from another position. And that that's nothing that fails is conservative. Conservatives are more fickle with their favor than high school groupies if you lose. You are instantly shoved out of the little circle, and everyone starts talking about how you were REALLY an evil liberal big government non-conservative all along and they always knew.

Since conservatism cannot fail, conservative ideas are ideal. THEY NEVER FAIL! The circle now spirals all the way to the bottom of the drain.

[Crossroads Inc.]

The two primary themes coming out of the Republican base, as mentioned, "Conservative is Never wrong" and "If we loose, it is for not being Conservative enough" As if to perfectly illustrate both of these principles, I offer the following comments

The problem with the Republican Party is that, for much of the Bush presidency it was nearly indistinguishable from the Democratic party. The attempt to change its image in order to appeal to a more "hip" class comes off as an old fogey trying to act like a young person. The fact is, conservatism, by its very nature, is "old fogey" thought. The Dems can go the hip route and pull it off, for their philosophies are as immature as the people they are trying to attract. But this will not work with Republicans. R's need to tell it straight and plain, with neither rancour or malice. Dem's need the flashy style to cover thr foolishness of their policies. R's can use simple words, for conservatism is easy, common-sense wisdom, that even the libs know in their hearts to be true.

Or to be even more blunt:

The people who are LEAVING the GOP (not just 'moving away') are *conservatives*, because the GOP has abandoned conservative principles and values (don't worry Kathleen, you wouldn't know what those are).

McCain was the end. No more democrat-lite.

If the GOP won't stand for conseravative values and principles, then the GOP can take a hike. They can try to "out-democrat" the democrats. Good luck with that. Good luck with trying to convince life-long liberals that the GOP is more liberal than the DNC. You have a bright future ahead!

If the GOP doesn't run a conservative candidate, I sure won't vote for him just because there's an "R" after his name. As far as I can tell, "R" stands for RINO anymore.

and finally

I get it, Republicans should just become Democrats ? This way MSNBC and CNN and NBC,CBS,ABC et all will welcome us in with open arms?? I don't think so! I think Republicans should go back to what they are supposed to be all about. Lower taxes, less government, and liberty. The Obama lovefest will fade once taxes rise, inflation soars, our liberties are taken away,and people finally wake up to the Dems real plan to make us a Socialist nation. It's happening right before our eyes folks and we are being spent into oblivion. I for one refuse to move away from my conservative values, I just hope people who trully love liberty will realize before it's to late that this path we are now on will destroy us

All of these, and many more comments, where found from an article here Follow Link The article in question was quite simply about how the author thought the Republican party was 'out of touch' with Americans, that it needed to change its image and is philosophy in order to become stronger. Needles to say the vast amount of comments where vehemently opposed to this.

I will let other people pick apart the above, I post these mostly to illustrate what all of us have been saying. that the far right is incable of changing because it believes it has done nothing wrong.

[Starglider]

Republicans should go back to what they are supposed to be all about. Lower taxes, less government, and liberty.

Well he does have a point in that a Republican party that is actually consistent and executes on its principles would be an improvement on the Republican party that America suffered from 2000-2008. However throwing out moderates will not solve the corruption problem; it stems from the rampant influence of lobbyists and fundamentalists.