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Obama Team said they were 'caught off guard' by Republican attacks on health care reform

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Are the Obama people really that dumb? They were "surprised," "caught off guard" by the massive dirtstorm unleashed on healthcare reform?

These are the geniuses of 11-dimensional chess? Puhleeze. I think they've started to believe their own press. Obama the Healer, Obama the Post-Racial Lincoln. What a bunch of damned dopes.
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In the immortal words of Yogi Berra, "it's deja vu all over again."

This morning, as I scanned a New York Times story about President Obama's "new playbook" for the health care debate, I was stopped by this paragraph:

"And Democratic Party officials enlisted in the fight by the White House acknowledged in interviews that the growing intensity of the opposition to the president’s health care plans — within the last week likened on talk radio to something out of Hitler’s Germany, lampooned by protesters at Congressional town-hall-style meetings and vilified in television commercials — had caught them off guard and forced them to begin an August counteroffensive."

Then, a few paragraphs later, a top Democratic communicator weighed in: "To be fair, I think we were probably a little surprised - just a little - at the use of swastikas and the comparisons to Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich that even Rush Limbaugh has fanned the flames on. And we were a little surprised at the mob mentality."

Then, farther down in the piece, an Obama administration deputy added this: "The lesson we’ve learned is you ignore these rumors at your peril, and the right answer is to take them head on in as big a way as possible."

All the italics are mine. All of which prompts me to wonder (for the umpteenth time) whether there is some fundamental flaw in the Democratic gene pool that fuels their perpetually delusional belief that noble intentions are sufficient to prevail in a knife fight.

They were "caught off guard" by the cacophonous conservative assault on health care reform. They were "probably a little surprised." They now insist that they have learned "lessons" about how it's nuts to simply let the nuts peddle their lies.

This is where Yogi's deja vu rule kicks in. Over and over, decade after decade, the Democrats have revealed their naivete.

Back in the 1988 presidential race, it was Mike Dukakis; amidst all the smears being heaped upon him by the Republicans during that long hot summer (polluter! pal of rapist! funny Greek name! crazy wife! flag-hater!), the candidate and his advisers sat back and did nothing, convinced that voters would never swallow such slop. They did, he plummeted in the polls, and he never recovered.

During the 1993-4 health care reform battle, the Clinton White House was outmaneuvered by the Republican right and their corporate allies, who swayed the electorate with all kinds of devious hyperbole. And, more recently, in the 2004 presidential race, John Kerry and his advisers sat back and did nothing for three crucial summer weeks, absolutely convinced that voters would never believe the Swift Boat attacks on his Vietnam record. That strategy worked out pretty well.

And now we have the Obama people, waking up to the idea that maybe it's not politically wise to sit mute and allow themselves to be tarred as fascists who would euthanize granny, ration health care, and slash Medicare benefits. (It's priceless to hear the Republicans portraying themselves as the defenders of Medicare, given the fact that, if they had been in charge back in 1965, they never would have enacted Medicare in the first place. But I digress.)

The Republican right understands the power of the visceral; it knows how to stoke emotions at the expense of civility. This is not exactly a fresh observation, yet it's amazing how flat-footed Democrats seem always to discover it anew. They seem forever convinced that the power of high ideals should be sufficient for victory - that, in the present case, Americans should simply be convinced, on the merits, that health care reform is preferable to the dysfunctional status quo. As Howard Paster, Clinton's health care guy in 1993, told The Times this morning, "The expectation (among the Obama people) was that things have gotten so bad in the last 16 years that there would be a consensus on the need to act this time."

But that's not how the other team plays the game. Indeed, numerous Democratic strategists and commentators have been trying to make this point for a long time. A couple years ago, for instance, radio host and ex-California Democratic chairman Bill Press offered this advise to his brethren: "In politics, if somebody slaps you on the cheek, you punch him in the nose. Then you punch him in the gut. Then you kick him in the groin. Then you crack a chair over his head. Then, just to make sure, you jump up and down on top of him with both feet...The only way to win is to fight back. Hard and tough. If they don't, they don't deserve to win."

Press was characteristically a tad over the top, but his basic point was that Democrats should stop being surprised to learn that politics ain't beanbag. This is not to suggest that Obama should retaliate by retailing lies equal in virulence to those being spewed by his opponents; if he was to conduct himself as his opponents are doing, he would be promptly attacked for failing to change the tone in Washington.

His best option is to do what he probably should have done months ago: find an attractively repeatable health reform pitch that can fit on a bumper sticker, something that can appeal to positive emotions. (Perhaps if Obama had done that during the spring, he could have at least partially preempted the nabobs of negativity.) Indeed, there are reports today that Obama will now pitch his plan as a vehicle for ending unfair insurance practices, for protecting the millions of Americans who have pre-existing health conditions.

Maybe a positive emotional pitch can still work - unless it is too little, too late, and insufficient weaponry for an alley fight.
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Too much faith in humanity. The basic failing of the intelligent: Failing to realize people are that goddamn stupid. If you go through your life being smart, being confronted with people who caused the creation of 'Do not iron clothes you are wearing at the time' stickers is quite shocking.
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I think we were probably a little surprised - just a little - at the use of swastikas and the comparisons to Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich that even Rush Limbaugh has fanned the flames on.
Did this ... did this seriously happen? Because you know, that's so remarkably retarded that I don't think anyone could have reasonably expected it.
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Did this ... did this seriously happen? Because you know, that's so remarkably retarded that I don't think anyone could have reasonably expected it.
I admit to not follow the whole healthcare debate as closely as most here, as I'm not American, and I may be lacking in the american viewpoint, but: I think they did expect some resistence, cultural particularly, but I don't think they thought they are going to be seriously compared to Hitler outright.

Edit: Bah, never mind.
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Ford Prefect wrote:
I think we were probably a little surprised - just a little - at the use of swastikas and the comparisons to Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich that even Rush Limbaugh has fanned the flames on.
Did this ... did this seriously happen? Because you know, that's so remarkably retarded that I don't think anyone could have reasonably expected it.
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The Republicans are seeking to exploit every exposed avenue and open window, for example they're making a lot out of Obama's disparaging opinion on the US Postal Service in relation to FedEx and UPS:



They think it'll be the same thing with Federal healthcare vs. the insurance providers.
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After some thought, there is a level of flat-out naivete.

The Democrats seems to lull into this idea that the kid-gloves, orderly realm the country is when the Right Wing is in charge is a good idea of how things work. The media is eager for 'connections to power', the people are not frothing at the mouth, the opposition's worst is an orderly and legal protest or rally, but more often just a t-shirt or bumper sticker at an event.

Then, every time, they get caught off guard by the fact conservatives freak the fuck out and dissolve into pure insanity and hatred when someone other than their own is in charge. Was like it for Clinton, is like it for OBama, suspect the trend extends back and forwards.
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It's been said many times that the democrat party's greatest enemy is, in fact, the democrat party. Another good one is 'Never underestimate the democrats' ability to shoot themselves in the foot.'
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Alot of it is because once a Democrat is elected, he governs, and doesn't continue to treat the office as a campaign platform for his issues. I'm not saying they don;t campaign to get reelected and shit like that, but they tend to push issues like healthcare as standard policy, rather than using campaign tactics to ram them down the gullet of the opposing party. That's the only thing the Bush administration did that I think Democrats really need to emulate, especially now that there is no real opposition in the way. Fuck bipartisanship. It only works if both sides come to the table with good intentions and the Republicans simply do not.
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The Republicans find it easier to blindly knock down the UHC than properly analyse it in a sober manner.
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The only thing I've heard about this issue is when the Americans tried to drag the UK's NHS into the fray. Calling it 'evil and orwellian' and basically making up a bunch of shit about it. Apparently they think old people are refused treatment under it and are just left to die. Which of course is not true. There are plenty of things to bash about the NHS but they couldn't even pick on legitimate flaws.
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A lot of people are reluctant to believe that the average person is a moron, for a lot of reasons. Call it populism, call it faith in humanity, call it optimism, call it whatever you want, but it's an extremely politically incorrect thing to say. It doesn't surprise me at all that they thought the stupid bullshit being peddled by the Republicans would not be nearly as effective as it was. I mean honestly, the right-wing assholes are saying things that only a complete idiot could possibly take seriously, but unfortunately, the average person is a complete idiot.
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Flagg wrote:Fuck bipartisanship. It only works if both sides come to the table with good intentions and the Republicans simply do not.
Indeed. It seems the Republicans have only one agenda, and that is to undermine Obama any which way they can. They smell blood, and they're willing to stoop to whatever it takes. Even if they agree that the system needs fixing, they would still undermine a Democrat president because that is their fundamental principle.
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It does seem to take a while for the Democratic Party to actually learn political lessons. As the OP mentioned, Dukakis made a half-assed and slow response to some of the negative attacks that Bush Sr's campaign was making on him, and they helped define him as a result. So in 1992, Clinton's people tried to explicitly avoid that, with the "war room" and rapid response to political attacks.

Yet when 2004 rolled around, it was like Kerry's people (presumably who at least had contact with Clinton's people, and should have known better) had forgotten that lesson, so the Democrats had to learn it all over again (in 2008, attacks were responded to promptly, with the fear of a Swift Boat-like attack sticking first and foremost).
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The difference here is that the attacks are so utterly preposterous that no remotely intelligent person could possibly believe them. It's not like most political personal attacks: they're basically saying that Obama will set up Nazi death camps. I think they honestly didn't think anyone could take such totally absurd nonsense seriously.

Really, in a sane world they wouldn't. But this is not a sane world.
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What the fuck happened to the less flimsy Obama who was running for office this time around a year ago, who promised to run "Chicago-style" and released a 40-page rebuttal to that book that was published devoted to smearing him? We wanted a candidate who wouldn't do the same stupid shit during an election that Dukakis and Kerry did, and it seemed like we might get one for a moment there, but then he gets elected and seems to think that he has some moral obligation to reach out to the closest things we've got on earth to comic book villains plotting to blow up the planet for villainy's sake alone.

Seriously, somehow "naive" doesn't seem to cover Obama's policy on dealing with post-Bush Republicans right now; "has a spongy skull" seems to be the only thing that makes sense of this to me.
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TithonusSyndrome wrote:What the fuck happened to the less flimsy Obama who was running for office this time around a year ago, who promised to run "Chicago-style" and released a 40-page rebuttal to that book that was published devoted to smearing him? We wanted a candidate who wouldn't do the same stupid shit during an election that Dukakis and Kerry did, and it seemed like we might get one for a moment there, but then he gets elected and seems to think that he has some moral obligation to reach out to the closest things we've got on earth to comic book villains plotting to blow up the planet for villainy's sake alone.

Seriously, somehow "naive" doesn't seem to cover Obama's policy on dealing with post-Bush Republicans right now; "has a spongy skull" seems to be the only thing that makes sense of this to me.
For all we know, his could be thinking that he managed secured enough votes from the democrats in the election, now he must attempt to secure votes from the Republicans by treating them in a decent manner.
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I think (hope) people are reading this wrong. I wouldn't say that Obama is surprised that Republicans are resisting, but I think it's fair to be a little surprised that a vice presidential candidate accused him of proposing a system that would try to kill her youngest son. That's just kind of unprecedented, even for Gingrich's ilk in the 90s.
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TithonusSyndrome wrote:What the fuck happened to the less flimsy Obama who was running for office this time around a year ago, who promised to run "Chicago-style" and released a 40-page rebuttal to that book that was published devoted to smearing him?
It's possible that he just has too much on his plate to deal with this horseshit effectively, so he delegated "rebuttals to raving batshit-insane right-wing bullshit" to his team which has done a piss-poor job of handling it. As far as I can tell, the Republicans basically aren't doing anything else at all right now. Their entire attention is focused on this particular avenue of attack.
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