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CNN.com wrote:North Korea named Choe Yong Rim as its new premier Monday, replacing Kim Yong Il at a session of the Supreme People's Assembly, the state-run Korean Central News Agency reported.

It was not immediately known why Kim, elected to the post in 2007, was removed in favor of Choe.

A North Korean premier oversees economic policy and appoints ministers who are then confirmed by parliament.
Fucking wow.

So many questions. How will this play out? What has Andrei Lankov to say? How will this affect them at the World Cup?
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Here's some more...
CNN.com wrote:Dramatic changes in North Korean leadership this week appear to be paving the way for an eventual transfer of power from leader Kim Jong Il to his youngest son, analysts say.

Jang Song Thaek, Kim's brother-in-law and long thought to be Kim's right-hand man, was promoted to vice-chairman of the powerful National Defense Commission at the Supreme People's Assembly, the communist nation's parliament, on Monday, the state-run Korean Central News Agency report.

Jang's appointment is crucial, according to Kim Sung-han, a professor at Korea University in Seoul, because he's seen as providing a support network for Kim's son and his nephew, Kim Jong Un. Not only is Jang family, but he's a top official in the military as the vice-chairman of the NDC.

His appointment signifies the power succession process is taking place and that he plays a key role as "liaison between the party and the military," said Kim Sung-han.

Parliament also named Choe Yong Rim as the country's new premier Monday, replacing Kim Yong Il. It was not immediately known why Kim, elected to the post in 2007, was removed in favor of Choe.

"The Prime Minister used to work with Kim Jong Il's father, Kim Il Sung. He is very close to the Kim family," said Han Park, a professor at the University of Georgia. "That has some succession implications.

"So, the fact that young Kim Jong Un, the presumed successor, is the son of Kim Jong Il and grandson of Kim Il Sung -- so that kind of legitimacy of authority stems from the family, as opposed to the person's capability or leadership ability," Park said.
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When was the last time Kim Jong Il made a public appearance? Maybe he's already dead.
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CaptainChewbacca wrote:When was the last time Kim Jong Il made a public appearance?
Not long ago. Of course, this doesn't stop the conspiracy theories about Kim having died years ago and being replaced by doubles.
Maybe he's already dead.
If the Emperor is dead, why replace the Prime Minister?

EDIT: Could Yong-il have been ousted to diffuse tension over the recent ship sinking?

It just seems so baffling that a Kim could lose a position like that.
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I thought he just recently made a trip to China?

About a month ago. Apparently he's not looking too well.
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Friday, May 7, 2010

NORTH KOREA

Kim visits China, shows persisting frailty

Kim Jong Il's peek-a-boo visit to China this week reportedly included meetings in Beijing with top Chinese officials and some factory walkabouts, although Chinese officials refused to confirm that the North Korean leader was in the country.

What has been confirmed this week -- thanks to the diligence of Japanese and South Korean news media -- is that Kim, 68, has not recovered from a stroke he suffered in 2008.

Video clips showed him dragging his left foot as he walked, with his left arm almost motionless. He also appeared to have lost weight and hair, suggesting to some experts the effects of kidney dialysis.

North Korea watchers say they think Kim traveled to China in search of investment and aid, particularly food. North Korea's moribund economy has been squeezed by tighter U.N. sanctions, and a food shortage this spring has reportedly caused starvation in some areas.

Kim met with Chinese President Hu Jintao on Wednesday night and with Premier Wen Jiabao on Thursday, according to South Korea media. In return for aid, experts predict, Kim may be willing to resume denuclearization talks that the country abandoned last year.

The talks are on indefinite hold, however, because of the unresolved sinking of a South Korean warship March 26 that killed 46 sailors.
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Well, I wonder how long this one would last. If I recall correctly, the last premier was executed for incompetence.
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Gandalf wrote: It just seems so baffling that a Kim could lose a position like that.
Kim Yong Il isn't a Kim related to Kim Jong Il or Kim Il Sung. Kim just happens to be the most popular Korean family name.
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This really isn't that surprising, in all honesty. Kim Jong-Il needed a fall guy for the horrific attempts at economic reform he pushed through in the past year or so (the economic situation in North Korea has always been a mess, but the situation was made even worse, if possible). On top of that, there are all sorts of competing interests within the North Korean government, who all want a slice of the pie when the Glorious Leader dies. Kim Jong-Il is cleaning house in preparation for the succession that will inevitably occur in the next few years.
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Didn't he have Pancreatic Cancer. He should be getting really close to being bed ridden by it yet. I'm starting to think that the entire ship sinking incident might be an effort to throw his public off his rapidly decreasing health.
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Hmm, now that the successor has been named, how long before Kim-Jong Ill "accidentally" falls down a flight of stairs, or before he dies from accute lead poisoning? That is the question.
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To re-iterate, Kim Jong Il is the 'dear leader' of N. Korea, not the premier. Kim Yong Il is a different person. Choe Yong Rim is not the new dictator of the DPRK, he is the new guy who presides over its rubber stamp parliament. When the Dear Leader falls down dead, his son Kim Jong Un is likely to inherit the dictatorship. http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... 58,00.html
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N. Korea lifts ban on private markets to prevent famine

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Perhaps this has something to do with it?
Things must be real bad for the Norks even to consider such a thing, and getting a new PM to carry out the new policy would be logical if power have shifted within the factions of the goverment itself.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02837.html
By Chico Harlan
Washington Post Foreign Service
Friday, June 18, 2010; 4:27 PM

SEOUL -- Bowing to reality, the North Korean government has lifted all restrictions on private markets -- a last-resort option for a leadership desperate to prevent its people from starving.

In recent weeks, according to North Korea observers and defector groups with sources in the country, Kim Jong Il's government admitted its inability to solve the current food shortage and encouraged its people to rely on private markets for the purchase of goods. Though the policy reversal will not alter daily patterns -- North Koreans have depended on such markets for more than 15 years -- the latest order from Pyongyang abandons a key pillar of a central, planned economy.

With November's currency revaluation, Kim wiped out his citizens' personal savings and struck a blow against the private food distribution system sustaining his country. The latest policy switch, though, stands as an acknowledgment that the currency move was a failure and that only capitalist-style trading can prevent widespread famine.

"The North Korean government has tried all possible ways [for a planned economy] and failed, and it now has to resort to the last option," said Koh Yu-hwan, professor of North Korean studies at Dongguk University in Seoul. "There's been lots of back and forth in what the government has been willing to tolerate, and I cannot rule out the possibility of them trying to bring back restrictions on the markets. But it is hard for the government to reverse it now."

Because North Korea operates in secrecy and isolation, outside observers rely on informants and accounts from defectors. In this case, experts agree that the food shortage is dire. Several analysts who monitor and travel to North Korea said that in recent weeks, Pyongyang has abandoned almost all its rules about who can spend money and when. That would seem to indicate that Kim -- who once equated free-market trading with "egotism" and a collapse of social order -- now wants to rehabilitate the markets damaged in November.

As of May 26, the government no longer forces markets to close at 6 or 7 p.m., has dropped the rule restricting customers to women older than 40 and has lifted a ban on certain goods being sold. An official in the city of Pyungsung informed the Good Friends humanitarian group that the living standard had "drastically decreased since the currency exchange, and the government cannot provide distribution so they have to bring the market back up."

The Good Friends newsletter quoted the official as saying: "There are increasing deaths from starvation so opening [the] market is a reasonable resolution. Death due to starvation has gone out of control."

In the mid-1990s, amid a total collapse of the central planned economy, somewhere between 3 and 5 percent of the population -- perhaps 1 million people -- died of starvation. Meanwhile, North Koreans increasingly turned to small markets for trading and buying supplies.

In part because of that, the hermit nation now maintains a stronger line of defense against starvation -- one that did not exist during the famine.

Compared with the peak of the food crisis, in the mid and late '90s, "the actual amount of food -- less is available now," said Kim Heung-gwang, a North Korean defector and president of a group called North Korea Intellectuals Solidarity. "But back then, the food circulation industry wasn't as built up. Even though the absolute amount of food is less now than it was 15 years ago, I think the starvation problem will be less significant."

In 1994, Kim said, people "didn't know how to survive because they were looking for rations."

North Korea analysts say that the Nov. 30, 2009, currency reform caused nearly as much trauma as the famine 15 years earlier. The government turned 100 won into 1, and North Koreans responded with minor protests.

In recent months, North Korea's chronic food problems have probably worsened. When South Korea's government concluded in late May that the North was responsible for sinking one of the South's warships, killing 46 people, international outrage caused food aid to slow. The South announced that it would cut all trade with its neighbor, though the North has denied any responsibility. China remains North Korea's primary benefactor, but little is known about how much food China supplies. According to analysts, Pyongyang's latest reaction could suggest it is struggling to secure the necessary aid from China.

Staff writer Blaine Harden and special correspondent Yoonjung Seo contributed to this report.
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Wow. North Korea resorting to private markets?!? They must be really getting desperate.

I hope the DPRK collapses soon. No innocent man deserves to live under such a government.
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Scorpion wrote:Wow. North Korea resorting to private markets?!? They must be really getting desperate.

I hope the DPRK collapses soon. No innocent man deserves to live under such a government.
I fixed that for you. As I doubt you believe that anybody deserves such a fate.
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Norade wrote:
Scorpion wrote:Wow. North Korea resorting to private markets?!? They must be really getting desperate.

I hope the DPRK collapses soon. No innocent man deserves to live under such a government.
I fixed that for you. As I doubt you believe that anybody deserves such a fate.
There's a few that could make that list. Rapists. Child molesters. Pinochet's thugs. The Saudi religious police. The Liberian guerrillas that chopped off farmer's hands. The good fellows that brought us Srebrenica. To name a few (thousand).

Living in Best Korea-like conditions would be a pale retribution for what they done unto others.
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Scorpion wrote:
Norade wrote:
Scorpion wrote:Wow. North Korea resorting to private markets?!? They must be really getting desperate.

I hope the DPRK collapses soon. No innocent man deserves to live under such a government.
I fixed that for you. As I doubt you believe that anybody deserves such a fate.
There's a few that could make that list. Rapists. Child molesters. Pinochet's thugs. The Saudi religious police. The Liberian guerrillas that chopped off farmer's hands. The good fellows that brought us Srebrenica. To name a few (thousand).

Living in Best Korea-like conditions would be a pale retribution for what they done unto others.
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