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So in the past month there's been some appalling stuff starting to happen. We've had Customs start asking people to declare pornography at points of entry. And should you have any, it gets confiscated. So, a movie on that laptop that you also have all your work stuff on for your business trip? Confiscated, no option to just have it deleted or checked to see if it's within the classification restrictions, just confiscated.

And now this - the first gaoling on a censorship related crime since the sixties. And it just highlights how stupid it all is. And why did he go to gaol? Because the judge made the determination that he would not have had the capacity to pay the fine (though you can bet that had he been given the opportunity, then the lobbying groups and communities would have come up with the dough) and chose to gaol him.

It is, quite frankly, fucking disgusting what is happening here. And don't forget, if you oppose these policies publically - that's when the knives come out.
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Quite unannounced, the Rudd Government has imposed fines totalling thousands of dollars as a result of raids on adult shops, forcing some out of business and sending the proprietor of a retailer in Sydney's Oxford Street to prison for three months.

The sentence was imposed by a Sydney Magistrate for selling blue movies and confirmed on appeal. The proprietor Daryl Cohen began his sentence last month.

He is, as far as can be established, the first person to go to prison for the victimless crime of pornography for more than 60 years.

Cohen's shop sold sex toys and erotic videos on Sydney's gay mile. His shop was raided under the auspices of the Minister for Home Affairs Brendan O'Connor by police who seized his stock of an estimated 4,000 DVD's, combed through them and singled out 43 as the basis of a charge of selling pornography.

It is not illegal to possess X-rated DVD's but in the states it is illegal to sell them. Cohen's stock had not been classified, which costs $850, depending on running time, for each DVD. The police submitted the 43 most graphic of the confiscated films to the Australian Classification Board paid the classification fee and were informed that 38 were acceptable for import into Australia under the X-classification, but that five should be assigned to the category of Refused Classification, because they depicted homosexual bondage and sado-masochistic acts.

A magistrate thereupon sentenced Cohen to three months imprisonment. He appealed to the District Court, where a judge decided that Cohen would be unable to pay a fine of $11,000 a video, totalling perhaps $500,000.

He was broke, and living at home with his aunt.

The magistrate therefore confirmed the sentence of three months imprisonment, which Cohen is now serving, believed to be the first jailing of a censorship offender since 1945, when Robert Close was imprisoned for writing a novel entitled "Love Me Sailor".

His friends have told the Eros Association, which is the industry body, that Cohen is taking it badly and has already lost 15 kilos.

The sentence on Close produced extensive media coverage, and prompted a reaction against legal wowserism. The pendulum, which had resulted in the banning of two notable works of fiction, DH Lawrence's Lady Chatterley's Lover, and James Joyce's Ulysses, not only in Australia but elsewhere in the world, began to swing back.

Redeeming Literary Merit became a defence, and censorship crumbled in the Western world.

Retailers began selling erotic DVD's in the states, capturing the mail-order market that operated out of the ACT and the Northern Territory. The police ignored this "crime" and got on with hunting down drug deals and keeping a watch for terrorists.

And then it changed. The Rudd Government moved the censors to Canberra gave them a new name, the Australian Classification Board, and an investigatory arm with a doublespeak title, the Classification Licensing Service.

Two public servants were assigned to visit retailers selling erotic DVD's. When they found something they did not like they wrote to the police on Attorney-General letterhead, prompting police to initiate prosecutions.

There were fines, escalating from perhaps $1,000 to $50,000. Then police found the hapless Cohen, who has been ruined by the seizure of his stock.

It was back to the bad old days of Arthur Calwell and Bob Menzies, who imposed sales tax on contraceptives, presided over book-banning, and tried to ban the Communist Party, but with an important difference.

The jailing of Robert Close drew intensive media coverage. The jailing of Daryl Cohen, with the exception of a paragraph or two in the gay press, has drawn none. He has disappeared behind bars without a trace. No fuss. No outcry. No questioning of the principle of censorship, which in its fundamental says that some of us are entitled to read and see all published material, and then to rule that the rest of us cannot.

Nobody asked the question: who has suffered loss because Cohen sold blue movies, either as damage to property or personal injury. As with Close's imprisonment, we are back in the days of "crimes" without victims, "crimes" which do no harm to anyone.

There are no longer members of parliament like Lionel Murphy, Gareth Evans and Don Chipp prepared to put up a fight for the rights of individuals and for freedom of speech.

Instead, since the days of Paul Keating we are looking for ways to tighten the purity laws, with none more zealous than the Communications Minister Stephen Conroy, who when he is not engaged in destroying Telstra is combing the internet for images he finds offensive.

In NSW Kristina Kenealy has announced that redeeming artistic merit is to be removed as a defence against prosecution.

This is not an issue that affects only people with shops in Oxford Street selling DVD's without, it must be conceded, not a lot of redeeming artistic merit.

The Rudd government added a new question to the customs declaration form that returning travellers must fill out at airports. Are you carrying firearms, drugs and now, for the first time, pornography, for which there is no legal definition. Is Playboy porn. Or Deep Throat, or those jokes that circulate on the internet?

Already there are instances where people have had their lap-tops seized, regardless of the files, correspondence, diary entries and financial accounts that are nobody's business but that of the owner of the lap-top, and whose loss can have a severe impact on the owner's work.

Australia is a live-and-let-live country, except at the top. On the basis of the polls, we do not support banning erotic videos. There is no demand for a return to wowserism, which has nevertheless crept back into our lives, like a metastasising cancer, with nobody on either side of the federal parliament prepared to speak up, as Lionel Murphy, Gareth Evens and Don Chipp once did, and in the NSW State Parliament, with only the Greens prepared to have a go.

Close, an acclaimed writer of sea stories, spent most of the rest of his life in France. He died in 1995.

An embarrassed Customs service, now that their new question to returning holiday makers has been publicised, is looking for an alternative form of words that does not sweep up the two million people who buy blue movies.
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Nice to know we still refuse to classify and thus, allow, BDSM flicks. Still, with any luck this could get a shift backwards away from the censorship in general and then maybe have some creep to that field - but the average man probably doesn't care or want people like me having our particular fetishes catered to.
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Forget that, for a true example of stupidity - how about the fact that the "original" cut of the Pirates porno is illegal, because it features violence (albeit terribly acted violence against CGI skeletons and hte like outside of any sex scenes) and you aren't allowed to have violence of any sort, regardless of context in a porno. So in Australia it comes as a two disc set - one with the "storyline scenes" and one with the shagging. Because that is apparently completely fine under our legislation. Check out this episode of 4 Corners for more on this kind of retarded bullshit that is being forced onto us.
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At this point, I hope Krudd loses the next election. I think I might lodge a protest vote with the Greens.
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It is a worry Weemadando, especially coupled with Conroy's proposed net filter.

Bear in mind though that Customs has always had some fairly extensive powers, allowing search and seizure, then retention of things seized, without the requirement for much in the way of explanation, let alone the provision of avenues for review or appeal of their decisions. They have more power than the ATO. So does the Family Court, by the way.

Then again, this Federal Govt is a bit noisome. It beats the dead horse that we have in NSW though.

Labour Govts on the nose with public servants ....
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Stofsk wrote:At this point, I hope Krudd loses the next election. I think I might lodge a protest vote with the Greens.
I'm in the same shitty boat.

You know what we could use? A decent left wing party.
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JBG wrote:It is a worry Weemadando, especially coupled with Conroy's proposed net filter.
And the newly proposed logging of all sites visited, phone calls made and e-mails sent...
Bear in mind though that Customs has always had some fairly extensive powers, allowing search and seizure, then retention of things seized, without the requirement for much in the way of explanation, let alone the provision of avenues for review or appeal of their decisions.
However, in this case there aren't clear guidelines in place as to what is legal and what is not, so it's being effected as a blanket ban on something that is legal.
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weemadando wrote:
JBG wrote:It is a worry Weemadando, especially coupled with Conroy's proposed net filter.
And the newly proposed logging of all sites visited, phone calls made and e-mails sent...
Yup. Everything must be retained for TEN fucking years! That was a jaw-dropper when I read about it. It's draconian, unenforceable bullshit.
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Gandalf wrote:You know what we could use? A decent left wing party.
A constitutional guarantee to the freedom of expression would help to.

Obscenity laws in the US took a pretty hard tumble once pornographers were able to scoot under the umbrella of the 1st amendment.

For a little levity
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Hilariously, videos are currently not available in my country.
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Edi wrote:
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JBG wrote:It is a worry Weemadando, especially coupled with Conroy's proposed net filter.
And the newly proposed logging of all sites visited, phone calls made and e-mails sent...
Yup. Everything must be retained for TEN fucking years! That was a jaw-dropper when I read about it. It's draconian, unenforceable bullshit.
I was trying to explain some of this stuff to people yesterday who couldn't comprehend what was wrong with it. That is what terrifies me - that people cannot understand why this is a really dangerous path.

Though I did manage to get something through to them on the Customs confiscation thing using this analogy:
Not all porn is illegal, but it is all getting confiscated regardless of format or "container", so lets look at another scenario and pretend that it's being handled the same way. Some drugs are illegal. So if you were to come into Australia and declare that you had some medications (say panadeine) in your suitcase, then Customs would not even make the assessment of whether or not it's legal, nor even just confiscate that. Instead you have your whole suitcase confiscated, just to be sure.
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Vendetta wrote:
Hilariously, videos are currently not available in my country.
It's revenge for iplayer not working in The Colonies :wink:

Couldn't find a region-free version, but here's the transcript of the relevant bit:
Greg Proops wrote:I'm always looking for that place, you know, where there's no rednecks, that place where people get along, and I never find it. I went to Australia, right, and I thought Australia was gonna be a groovy, surfnoid, smoke-a-joint wombat, you know? 'G'day mate!' 'No worries!'
And it's like Arkansas with a beach. It's a whole country with a 'No Fat Chicks' sticker on it.
Back on OP, there's a bit I don't understand. The loophole it seems for porn in Oz is that it's okay to import unclassified videos, those that haven't been submitted to the Australian Censor Board for a rating, and that the government nullified that loophole by submitting the films for classification themselves. Since Australia's constitution doesn't recognize freedom of speech, Is there some argument that could be made to prevent this from happening again that the government was not an "authorized submitter"? Do you have to be associated with the production or distribution of a film in order to be able to submit it to the Censor Board, or can anyone willing to pay the fee do so? And if it's the latter what's to stop some moralizing group of people from submitting every naughty film they don't like to the ratings board and forcing the government to bring criminal charges against anyone who sells those titles?

Is it fair to say that Australia is experiencing a Porn Prohibition where it is legal to own, but not trade in, certain pornographic materials? If that's the case I'd imagine there is quite a criminal enterprise involved in importing those titles, but in this digital age I'd assume Australians could just download whatever they like, but then there's that logging of websites visited...

What a mess. Australia needs to live up to its marketing as a care-free, easy-going, smoke-a-joint with a wombat, No-Worries kind of place. You guys used to be the cool people with English…ish accents, your presence wasn't short-hand for villains/Nazis in American movies, and you didn't go uber-nuts with apartheid like the South Africans. What happened Australia, you used to be cool!
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Stuff like this is why I temper my extreme economic and social leftism with a passionate insistence on civil-social libertarianism. State coercion is very difficult to justify.
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The funny part is nobody actually supports this shit; they just don't care to get mad about it. Krudd is big on making noise to placate his utterly insane christian mates.

Eion's post is so ludicrously stupid I'm not actually sure what to say. If only AMERICA conducted social policy based on what people THOUGHT IT SHOULD BE! C'mon America what happened to home of the brave huddled masses libertah!?? :roll:
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Stark wrote:Eion's post is so ludicrously stupid I'm not actually sure what to say. If only AMERICA conducted social policy based on what people THOUGHT IT SHOULD BE! C'mon America what happened to home of the brave huddled masses libertah!?? :roll:
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Gandalf wrote:
Stofsk wrote:At this point, I hope Krudd loses the next election. I think I might lodge a protest vote with the Greens.
I'm in the same shitty boat.

You know what we could use? A decent left wing party.
I hate the greens and yet they will get my vote :(
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Edi wrote:
weemadando wrote:
JBG wrote:It is a worry Weemadando, especially coupled with Conroy's proposed net filter.
And the newly proposed logging of all sites visited, phone calls made and e-mails sent...
Yup. Everything must be retained for TEN fucking years! That was a jaw-dropper when I read about it. It's draconian, unenforceable bullshit.
It is mostly unenforceable in a practical sense but in terms of limits on Govt powers - probably not unless the High Court suggests otherwise.

Ten years is interesting as otherwise you are looking at at most seven for financial and other records, including my court stuff.

I suppose you have to look into our legal/constitutional history. NSW and some others were basically founded as police states and the Federal Constitution is more a power sharing agreement than anything else.

That much quickly becomes clear if you study law here as I did - I graduated in law (LLB) in 1987 from Sydney University. ( my BA was awarded in 1985 ).

Following in the Westminster system we rely on the "good intentions" of our political masters to use their powers wisely. We are hostages to that but mostly it works well.
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JointStrikeFighter wrote:
Gandalf wrote:
Stofsk wrote:At this point, I hope Krudd loses the next election. I think I might lodge a protest vote with the Greens.
I'm in the same shitty boat.

You know what we could use? A decent left wing party.
I hate the greens and yet they will get my vote :(
Which vote, given preferences, will probably aid the Labour Party.

The greens are good and necessary to the health of our political system when they stick to their core but beyond that Brown and the rest are apparently bereft of any understanding of reality. Brown (fed) and Kaye (state) are the best of them.

I see no reason why the readers of "Green Left Weekly" have any credibility in actually running states. It will be idiotic tax and spend and greater social control, like the proposed internet filter.
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One more reason to vote Green.




Though, there was the rumblings late this week coming out of the Labor Party that the internet filter, amongst other topics had been declared no-go zones for the months leading up to the election. But it's not like they're worried about it becoming a talking point, because only paedophiles think it's a bad idea right?
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Federal Labour is a CF at the moment. Who would've thunk that so soon!
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I don't want to vote for ANY of them.

Labor and Liberal are all but identical in most respects. The Liberals under abbot are just scarry, Labor under Rudd is just rudderless and unable to make any hard decisions. The Greens are an absolote joke as far as a real political party are concerned...

I think I'm going to write in my own party on my ballot...
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Rudderless? Boom-tish.

It is truly amazing how quickly the wheels have come off the wagon for Rudd, and how the machine that looked totally invincible in terms of its grasp of politics - controlling the media, tight policy, keeping the opposition off balance - now looks the total reverse. Rudd looks like a total amateur in getting his message out and his attempt to appear courageous and regain the populist sentiment (profits tax) has backfired badly. This wowserism shit has come from nowhere - I could see the internet filter being some sort of populist SAVE THE CHILDREN thing but everything else doesn't make sense. The fact it's being kept on the quiet as well suggests they know this stuff would be politically unpopular but believe in it enough to keep doing it.

I hate it when people go 'oh man I can't vote for everyone', because usually it's SOLELY because of one issue and seriously, learn to fucking compromise. But this year....Rudd has shown his true colours and they ain't great, he dropped the ball totally on climate change and has shown the dark side of his social policy. The Libs are shit in every manner, fear =! policy, and the Greens strike me as, in a sense, being even worse than both the major parties - there's never any sense of compromise and never any sense of governance, just RARGH BLARGH WHY CAN'T WE GO BACK TO THE WHITLAM YEARS. Labor won my seat last time on the back of Green preferences so in a sense it's irrelevant...I might vote for the ALP anyway in the hope that more Victorian votes somehow equates to Gillard getting power.
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I can't bring myself to vote greens. I agree with a lot of their policies - I'm a dirty hippy living in a town where like two thirds of the populace are or were dirty hippies, afterall - but the non-nuclear stance and their lack of competence is too much. Bob Brown is one of the few politicians in general I have faith in, but the rest of his party...
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Meh, that could change this election. Seat I'm currently in has a chance of swinging to the Greens.
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