Was McCain Right?

[mingo]

I think that Obama's trying as hard as he can, but that he's a tad idealistic and the Republicans are fucking up everything he tries to do and being needlessly, and harmfully, obstructionist. That's my take, anyway.

What is the GOP doing that is obstructionist in the Gulf? You can argue that the judge who overruled the administration many be conservative but he had nothing to do with the shit slow response to the crisis or the 8 times Obama has played golf since the spill happened.

Oh please, don't try to paint Obama with Bush's Katrina brush. Obama wasn't elected in a vacuum, he was elected precisely because Bush was colossal fuck up, that can never be forgotten or minimized. Righties who want to whine because we have a Nazi, Stalinist, socialist, white hating terrorist for a president must accept that it's because they elected dumbya the clown that this has happened.

Enough with all the "government is bad, make it smaller", make it BETTER.

[Themightytom]

What is the GOP doing that is obstructionist in the Gulf? You can argue that the judge who overruled the administration many be conservative but he had nothing to do with the shit slow response to the crisis or the 8 times Obama has played golf since the spill happened.

They have framed the entire situation as exclusively Obama's fault.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/waylon-le ... 07722.html


They fucking count the time Obama goes golfing because clearly that is relevant to dealing with the situation (You fucking mouthpiece)
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- ... s-resolved


They imply that there is some kind of miracle solution that has not been implemented due to incompetence which undermines the President's authority, say in the case of an executive order to stop drilling in order to prevent future mishaps by you know.. the people who actually caused this one.

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/20 ... coastline/

There is now clear evidence that the negligence by the Obama Administration caused the destruction of the Gulf coastline.

They have heavily undermined the role that BP's indifference to safety and potential for environmental catastrophe by attempting to shift the blame to Obama's response.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/18 ... p-20100618

They continue to oppose anything that encourages a reduced dependence on oil, even as oil sources get more difficult, more dangerous and more potentially devastating to obtain?
http://minnesotaindependent.com/60975/a ... ill-battle

I picked option 3 because Obama is too inexperienced to recognize that the GOP will take every opportunity to fuck him in the short term so they can win an election even if it means throwing their stupid ass pseudo-conservative constituency under the bus in areas like health care, financial reform, or alternative energy.

He CONTINUALLY behaves as though the Republican party is at all interested in a cooperative government or a reasonable position.

[aerius]

Well, isn't that more of a problem of economics than politics?

I mean, they pretty much represent mainstream american economic theory (I'll ignore the tax-dodging stuff for now). I mean, yes, certain circles see (parts of) mainstream economics as debunked by the global financial crash, but mainstream economics is still mainstream economics. The blame there isn't so much on Obama's IMHO, but rather on economics.

This again goes to the fact that Obama is a moderate, mainstream Democrat, and this means he is a corporatist.

So again, not inexperience, but political leaning.

Here's the thing, if mainstream American economics theory has been proven to be a failure, and it has by the current crash, then why is Obama still acting as if it still works? Paul Volcker is giving people a taste of the truth and proposed solutions which would work yet he's completely ignored, and it's not like he's some unknown wonk. He was a Federal Reserve Chairman under Carter and Reagan and has a lengthy & respected history in economics and finance. This is the person he should be listening to, and if I were Obama I'd want him to run as much of the finance & economics policies as he can handle at his age.

I don't know if political leanings is a workable argument since Reagan let Volcker run the Federal Reserve during his term and Volcker was definitely not a fan of deregulating everything and letting the free market do whatever it wanted. They were on opposite sides on many issues.

I picked option 3 because Obama is too inexperienced to recognize that the GOP will take every opportunity to fuck him in the short term so they can win an election even if it means throwing their stupid ass pseudo-conservative constituency under the bus in areas like health care, financial reform, or alternative energy.

He CONTINUALLY behaves as though the Republican party is at all interested in a cooperative government or a reasonable position.

I don't know if inexperience covers it after he does it 1000 times and still keeps doing it while expecting better results. I'm sorry, that's either the Albert Einstein definition of insanity or he's just that freakin' incompetent. At this point we might as well add "we can compromise with the Republicans" to the phrases "the cheque is in the mail" and "I won't cum in your mouth" as they all have equal levels of truth, that being none.

[Patrick Degan]

Here's the thing, if mainstream American economics theory has been proven to be a failure, and it has by the current crash, then why is Obama still acting as if it still works? Paul Volcker is giving people a taste of the truth and proposed solutions which would work yet he's completely ignored, and it's not like he's some unknown wonk. He was a Federal Reserve Chairman under Carter and Reagan and has a lengthy & respected history in economics and finance. This is the person he should be listening to, and if I were Obama I'd want him to run as much of the finance & economics policies as he can handle at his age.

I don't know if political leanings is a workable argument since Reagan let Volcker run the Federal Reserve during his term and Volcker was definitely not a fan of deregulating everything and letting the free market do whatever it wanted. They were on opposite sides on many issues.

Because corporate dick-sucking has become embedded in basic American political thought —like a tick dug into a human scalp. It is now next to impossible that either political party will not cater first to the interests of the corporations and Wall St. before the public because this is now seen as the norm. After nearly thirty years of cultural brainwashing and political cowardice combined with the growing financial power of corporations and Wall St. and media consolodation, any other outcome than what we've seen since the election of 2008 is not feasible. Not in today's America. It was nowhere near this bad in Reagan's day (given that the process was just beginning) and Reagan was actually willing to entertain other ideas to an extent that would get The Great Communicator™ condemned as a heretic by today's Republican Party.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Where's the "expected not much better, but know it was marginally the better of two choices v. McCain."