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1700s ship unearthed at WTC site.

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Fascinating stuff, this. Pics in the Article.

[b]CNN[/b] wrote: New York (CNN) -- The hull of a ship likely made in the 1700s was discovered at the World Trade Center site Tuesday. Archaeologists say that it probably was sunk there in the effort to add land to Manhattan in the early 19th century.

Molly McDonald, an archaeologist with the firm AKRF, said that about one-third of lower Manhattan is man-made, constructed sometime between 1797 and 1836. Prior to 1797 the site of the ship was part of the Hudson River, as was about half of the ground zero site.

McDonald said that timber crisps and houses were sunk into the ground to create piers and cliffs.

"This ship was most likely sunk for the same purpose, to retain land, to create new land," she said.

A handful of ships have been found in the past 40 years, she said, "but it's quite unusual and exciting to find it here on the World Trade Center site."

Doug Mackey, the chief regional archaeologist for the New York State Historic Preservation Office, said that finding the ship is very exciting. "We've known that those things exist but we don't get the opportunity to record them very often. It is a unique experience."

The discovery highlights a curious aspect of Manhattan: The land is so valuable that government officials and landowners have searched for ways to add more, Mackey said.

The ship was found just south of where the World Trade Center towers used to stand, about 20 feet below the surface, It was not touched by earlier construction. McDonald and her AKRF colleagues Elizabeth Meade and A. Michael Pappalardo have been monitoring the site for over a year.

They found historical maps and documents suggesting that excavation in Lower Manhattan would reveal landfills that might hold unusual artifacts. Early Tuesday morning their work paid off when McDonald spotted the curved timber of the ship poking through the soil and mud.

The environment in the landfills was not suitable for organisms that normally break down wood over time. Now that it has been uncovered, the ship will no longer be preserved, so it is up to archaeologists to document and study the vessel before it has deteriorated.

"Right now we're documenting it as best we can," Meade said. "We're making very careful drawings, we're taking photographs. We want to learn everything we possibly can about it right now and then we'll analyze it later."
Not exactly groundbreaking news (except for the obvious fact that it is related to actual ground being broken,) but it's fascinating - and it leads to interesting political questions. The most obvious of course is: are they going to have all the work grind to a halt for archeologists to come by, painstakingly unearth the ship timber by timber and transport it to a museum? Should the - after all, evidence points to this thing being scuttled intentionally by people who were fully aware of what they were doing and considered burying a bunch of timbers under new soil on Manhattan to be worth the price of the ship. Or should they just take some snaps as fast as they can and then treat it like a buried tree and just rip it out in order to get on with the work of building the new construction there? Or would you advocate a middle grounds, as they seem to be doing here; taking more time than photographs, but not letting them grind everything to a halt.

It also raises the question, since it's mentioned in the article; should we be more vigorously preserving samples of our present society for future historians, so they don't have to demolish whatever was built over our landfills in the intervening generations in order to unearth their history - our present. I mean, we go funny over shards of pottery and the like, and it doesn't even have to have been from ancient times. There's places like that in the Americas, where we've found stuff from earlier times in the USA and the colonies that preceeded it; hardly ancient on the history front, and certainly with little shortage of written records. Isn't there one not too far from the WTC itself, in Battery Park, where they found the remains of some old stone wall and a house underneath something else they were tearing down/building and archeologists and historians descended upon them like a pack of hungry wolves on a prime rib?

Historians seem to love the big events of our culture, of course, and I'm sure that the memory of 9/11 will remain until some even bigger disaster hits Manhattan (and probably for a great many generations thereafter,) but they also want to know details of our day-to-day lives. Is YouTube really sufficient? Is that what we want to leave for future generations to know us by, anyway?
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I think it is pretty significant, as it was (my guess from the form and the size) most probably a small coastal vessel or a trade ship. I don't think that there are many civil ships we know about, as most remaining or found ships are military in nature. Although it might be a bomb vessel or something similar small.

It's funny that the first movie in the article comments about a fireplace as something unusual, which it was not. The fireplace was usually right below the deck gratings in mid-ship (easiest way to let the smoke get out), which would imply - as it sits right on top of the floor timber planking - that that this ship only had one deck.

But in this case, I think it's a remnant of the fore or mizzen mast foot, as the planks right next show that this was either stern or bow. Hard to say at this pictures, as at this waterline cut, they would only differ by the deadwood under the planks. This period ships had a round section at both ends, and further up, the stern would be flat, while the bow would stay curved. The extreme closeness to the end of keel and the size, which implies only two masts, I believe this is stern and therefore the mizzen mast foot.
The mast was probably pulled and reused. (As it was a big, valuable timber, had not been exposed to the water, and only held by it's weight and rigging, thus easily pulled.)

Given the size and location, I think it would be rather easy to measure it up and then remove the remains of the vessel in chunks to analyze it later or put it in a museum. It is at the side of the excavation, and small, so they won't disturb the work too much if they take a few days/weeks to unearth it. Given the use as landfill, it would have been stripped of all valuable finds already, so there isn't much sense in a full excavation.
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Fascinating; reading this article just made my day.
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