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The Department of Health is putting the fast food companies McDonald's and KFC and processed food and drink manufacturers such as PepsiCo, Kellogg's, Unilever, Mars and Diageo at the heart of writing government policy on obesity, alcohol and diet-related disease, the Guardian has learned.

In an overhaul of public health, said by campaign groups to be the equivalent of handing smoking policy over to the tobacco industry, health secretary Andrew Lansley has set up five "responsibility deal" networks with business, co-chaired by ministers, to come up with policies. Some of these are expected to be used in the public health white paper due in the next month.

The groups are dominated by food and alcohol industry members, who have been invited to suggest measures to tackle public health crises. Working alongside them are public interest health and consumer groups including Which?, Cancer Research UK and the Faculty of Public Health. The alcohol responsibility deal network is chaired by the head of the lobby group the Wine and Spirit Trade Association. The food network to tackle diet and health problems includes processed food manufacturers, fast food companies, and Compass, the catering company famously pilloried by Jamie Oliver for its school menus of turkey twizzlers. The food deal's sub-group on calories is chaired by PepsiCo, owner of Walkers crisps.

The leading supermarkets are an equally strong presence, while the responsibility deal's physical activity group is chaired by the Fitness Industry Association, which is the lobby group for private gyms and personal trainers.

In early meetings, these commercial partners have been invited to draft priorities and identify barriers, such as EU legislation, that they would like removed. They have been assured by Lansley that he wants to explore voluntary not regulatory approaches, and to support them in removing obstacles. Using the pricing of food or alcohol to change consumption has been ruled out. One group was told that the health department did not want to lead, but rather hear from its members what should be done.

Professor Sir Ian Gilmore, the leading liver specialist and until recently president of the Royal College of Physicians, said he was very concerned by the emphasis on voluntary partnerships with industry. A member of the alcohol responsibility deal network, Gilmore said he had decided to co-operate, but he doubted whether there could be "a meaningful convergence between the interests of industry and public health since the priority of the drinks industry was to make money for shareholders while public health demanded a cut in consumption".

He said: "On alcohol there is undoubtedly a need for regulation on price, availability and marketing and there is a risk that discussions will be deflected away from regulation that is likely to be effective but would affect sales. On food labelling we have listened too much to the supermarkets rather than going for traffic lights [warnings] which health experts recommend." Employers are being asked to take on more responsibility for employees in a fourth health at work deal. The fifth network is charged with changing behaviour, and is chaired by the National Heart Forum. This group is likely to be working with the new Cabinet Office behavioural insight unit, which is exploring ways of making people change their behaviour without new laws.

Lansley's public health reforms are seen as a test case for wider Conservative policies on replacing state intervention with private and corporate action.

While public interest groups are taking part in drawing up the deals, many have argued that robust regulation is needed to deal with junk food and alcohol misuse.

The Faculty of Public Health, represented on several of the deal networks, has called for a ban on trans fats and minimum alcohol pricing. Professor Lindsey Davies, FPH president, said: "We are hopeful that engaging with the food industry will lead to changes in the quality and healthiness of the products we and our children eat. It is possible to make progress on issues such as salt reduction through voluntary agreements, and we're keeping an open mind until we see what comes out of the meetings, but we do think that there is still a role for regulation."

Responding to criticism that industry was too prominent in the plans, the Department of Health said: "We are constantly in touch with expert bodies, including those in the public health field, to help inform all our work. For the forthcoming public health white paper we've engaged a wide range of people, as we are also doing to help us develop the responsibility deal drawn from business, the voluntary sector, other non-governmental organisations, local government, as well as public health bodies. A diverse range of experts are also involved."

He added that the government wanted to improve public health through voluntary agreements with business and other partners, rather than through regulation or top-down lectures because it believed this approach would be far more effective and ambitious than previous efforts.

An over-arching board, chaired by Lansley, has been set up to oversee the work of the five responsibility deal networks, with representatives of local government and a regional health director – but it too is dominated by the food, alcohol, advertising and retail industries. Gilmore called for a better balance of commercial interests and independent experts on it.

Other experts have also expressed concern at Lansley's approach. Professor Tim Lang, a member of the government's advisory committee on obesity, doubted the food and drink industry's ability to regulate itself. "In public health, the track record of industry has not been good. Obesity is a systemic problem, and industry is locked into thinking of its own narrow interests," said Lang.

"I am deeply troubled to be sent signals from the secretary of state about working 'with business' and that any action has got to be soft 'nudge' action."

Jeanette Longfield, head of the food campaign group Sustain, said: "This is the equivalent of putting the tobacco industry in charge of smoke-free spaces. We know this 'let's all get round the table approach' doesn't work, because we've all tried it before, including the last Conservative government. This isn't 'big society', it's big business."
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They want you guys to be more American.

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Am I the only who assumed the article must be satire based upon the title ?
I have to tell you something everything I wrote above is a lie.
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Sarevok wrote:Am I the only who assumed the article must be satire based upon the title ?
Probably, since this has been the standard approach to writing regulation and reform bills in the U.S. for years, although I think they at least usually let lobbyists serve as middlemen, drafting the "recommendations" that congressmen submit verbatim.
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General Schatten wrote:They want you guys to be more American.

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They're also not American. :lol:

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Tanasinn wrote:They're also not American. :lol:

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Seems someone got the joke. :D
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Sarevok wrote:Am I the only who assumed the article must be satire based upon the title ?
No, that's what Surlethe thought when I read him the title and first couple of sentences. He thought it was the Onion or something.
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General Schatten wrote:
Tanasinn wrote:They're also not American. :lol:

Look at the window.
Seems someone got the joke. :D
Ah, I see; Despite indicating to the contrary, they're neither typical or American! Nice work, you should do stand up.
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Johonebesus wrote:
Sarevok wrote:Am I the only who assumed the article must be satire based upon the title ?
Probably, since this has been the standard approach to writing regulation and reform bills in the U.S. for years, although I think they at least usually let lobbyists serve as middlemen, drafting the "recommendations" that congressmen submit verbatim.
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The comment about them wanting to be American is dead on target, because in the US it's typically the industry lobbies that write the legislation. This is exactly like that and the bullshit about voluntary self-regulation is going to exactly as well as it has in the US.

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Edi wrote:The comment about them wanting to be American is dead on target, because in the US it's typically the industry lobbies that write the legislation. This is exactly like that and the bullshit about voluntary self-regulation is going to exactly as well as it has in the US.

I.e. not at all.
What? Big business wouldn't do the responsible thing and possibly reduce their future profits!?! IMPOSSIBLE. That would reflect badly on them and the market would punish them......somehow. Just like how BP was punished for fucking up so badly.

Seriously though, there are actually conservatives and libertarians who naively believe this kind of thing could actually work.
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bobalot wrote:Seriously though, there are actually conservatives and libertarians who naively believe this kind of thing could actually work.
Do you mean there are conservatives and neolibs who don't think this kind of thing will not only work, but is the best possible way to do things? Because that would be quite something. Batshit policies like this is sort of the core of their ideologies.
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Dooey Jo wrote:
bobalot wrote:Seriously though, there are actually conservatives and libertarians who naively believe this kind of thing could actually work.
Do you mean there are conservatives and neolibs who don't think this kind of thing will not only work, but is the best possible way to do things? Because that would be quite something. Batshit policies like this is sort of the core of their ideologies.
In short, yes. I'm sure some of the proponents of these schemes know it doesn't actually work, but will make them a shitload of money.
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bobalot wrote:
Dooey Jo wrote:Do you mean there are conservatives and neolibs who don't think this kind of thing will not only work, but is the best possible way to do things? Because that would be quite something. Batshit policies like this is sort of the core of their ideologies.
In short, yes. I'm sure some of the proponents of these schemes know it doesn't actually work, but will make them a shitload of money.
Yes, I suppose that is a possibility. Though it raises the question whether such people would really be part of the ideology, or simply assholes.
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Dooey Jo wrote:
bobalot wrote:
Dooey Jo wrote:Do you mean there are conservatives and neolibs who don't think this kind of thing will not only work, but is the best possible way to do things? Because that would be quite something. Batshit policies like this is sort of the core of their ideologies.
In short, yes. I'm sure some of the proponents of these schemes know it doesn't actually work, but will make them a shitload of money.
Yes, I suppose that is a possibility. Though it raises the question whether such people would really be part of the ideology, or simply assholes.
In practice, is there really much difference?
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