British Police Investing In New Riot-Control Technologies

N&P: Discuss governments, nations, politics and recent related news here.

Moderators: Alyrium Denryle, Edi, K. A. Pital

Post Reply
User avatar
Zaune
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 7551
Joined: 2010-06-21 11:05am
Location: In Transit
Contact:

British Police Investing In New Riot-Control Technologies

Post by Zaune »

The Guardian
Future riots could be quelled by projectiles containing chemical irritants fired by police using new weapons that are now in the final stages of development.

The Discriminating Irritant Projectile (Dip) has been under development by the Home Office's centre for applied science and technology (Cast) as a potential replacement for plastic bullets.

Documents obtained by the Guardian reveal that last summer's riots in England provided a major impetus to Home Office research into new-generation riot control technology, ranging from the Dip to even more curious weaponry described by Cast technicians as "skunk oil".

The briefing by Cast for the Police Service of Northern Ireland says that last year's disorder sparked a surge of ideas to the Home Office from the public as well as companies manufacturing police technology. To capitalise on the interest, Cast convened a "brainstorming" event in October. Participants included police from London and Northern Ireland, the Police Federation, the Serious Organised Crime Agency (Soca) and the Ministry of Defence's Defence Science and Technology Laboratory.

"No ideas too stupid or 'off the wall' to consider," the briefing notes record.

The November briefing, The Development of New Less Lethal Technologies, suggests that the Dips would be loaded into guns used to fire the existing generation of plastic bullets. They would be intended to be accurate at a range of up to 65 metres.

It is understood that the Dip, which was originally supposed to have been introduced in 2010, would be loaded with CS gas, pepper spray or another irritant.

Other parts of the briefing, released under the Freedom of Information Act, refer to a need in the short term by police to develop "counter laser dazzle" technology to protect officers from being dazzled by people using lasers like those used in recent Greek riots.

Large sections of the briefing were redacted by the Home Office, which designated them as "commercially sensitive". However, the Guardian understands that the "less lethal" technology discussed included heat rays and sound weapons. One weapon that particularly interested police officers was something Cast technicians referred to as "skunk oil".

The system would involve pellets containing foul-smelling liquids being fired from weapons similar to paintball guns. Such would be the smell that individuals hit by the pellets would want to go home to change their clothes, while associates would be reluctant to stay close to them.

The Guardian has also obtained figures illustrating the extent of recent spending by police forces around the country on the existing generation of plastic bullets, now referred to as attenuating energy projectiles (AEPs).

Some forces appear to have decided to considerably boost their stocks. Leicestershire constabulary spent £19,630 buying AEPs in 2010-11, doubling its spending on the previous year. So far in 2011-12 it has spent more than £10,000. Even a relatively small force, Avon and Somerset, which faced serious disorder in Bristol last year during the English riots and on a previous occasion amid anger over a controversial Tesco store, has spent more than £70,000 in the last three years. It also currently possesses 28 AEP launchers. That is 16 more than the larger West Midlands police, which still nevertheless spend more than £53,000 stocking up on AEPs in the last three years.

Gloucestershire police, whose territory was the scene of one of the more surprising outbreaks of rioting last summer, decided to considerably boost its AEP stocks last year. It spent £32,060 doing so, more than double its combined spending in 2009 and 2010. Elsewhere, Greater Manchester said it had sufficient supplies last year after spending more than £76,000 in the previous two years, while Nottinghamshire has spent £74,000 in the past three years.

A number of forces, including Merseyside and West Yorkshire, declined to provide information. Merseyside used the Home Office's claim that terrorism remains a "substantial" threat as a reason for not providing the information.

A final response has not been provided by the Metropolitan police. The Met commissioner, Bernard Hogan-Howe, told a meeting of the Metropolitan police authority last November that the force authorised the deployment of plastic bullets on at least 22 different dates last year.

Another freedom of information request from the Guardian found that the Home Office supplied £4.4m worth of AEPs between 2007 and March last year to police forces across England and Wales. The projectiles are supplied to the Home Office by the Ministry of Defence for police use.

While the Home Office invoiced forces for £700,000 worth in 2007-08, this rose to £1.2m in each of the following years and to £1.3m in 2010-11.
While I don't find this quite as sinister as some of the commenters do, there's something fundamentally depressing about the implication that the Home Office is expecting to need this new technology in the near future.

It also raises the question of how much is being spent on riot prevention. Or did I answer my own question back in Febuary?
There are hardly any excesses of the most crazed psychopath that cannot easily be duplicated by a normal kindly family man who just comes in to work every day and has a job to do.
-- (Terry Pratchett, Small Gods)


Replace "ginger" with "n*gger," and suddenly it become a lot less funny, doesn't it?
-- fgalkin


Like my writing? Tip me on Patreon

I Have A Blog
User avatar
Korvan
Jedi Master
Posts: 1255
Joined: 2002-11-05 03:12pm
Location: Vancouver, B.C. Canada

Re: British Police Investing In New Riot-Control Technologie

Post by Korvan »

The November briefing, The Development of New Less Lethal Technologies, suggests that the Dips would be loaded into guns used to fire the existing generation of plastic bullets. They would be intended to be accurate at a range of up to 65 metres.

It is understood that the Dip, which was originally supposed to have been introduced in 2010, would be loaded with CS gas, pepper spray or another irritant
If Britain is going to start using the Dip, toons better watch out!
User avatar
Mr Bean
Lord of Irony
Posts: 22465
Joined: 2002-07-04 08:36am

Re: British Police Investing In New Riot-Control Technologie

Post by Mr Bean »

Skunk Oil style weapons have been kicking around for awhile now. Tear-gas like weapons which cause your sense of smell to pretty much shut down and unlike tear-gas the instant you clear the area of effect it goes away. I heard about one such company that did a demonstration they set up a stage and a 100$ bill and set off the stink weapon and tell the crowd to come get the free money if they can which everyone typically does not to busy clearing out of the room.

However if they are talking about pellets to be used against people trust me if they are anything like what I've heard your more likely to strip down and burn your clothes then just go home and change.

"A cult is a religion with no political power." -Tom Wolfe
Pardon me for sounding like a dick, but I'm playing the tiniest violin in the world right now-Dalton
User avatar
Skgoa
Jedi Master
Posts: 1389
Joined: 2007-08-02 01:39pm
Location: Dresden, valley of the clueless

Re: British Police Investing In New Riot-Control Technologie

Post by Skgoa »

So they basicly want to shoot paintball balls filled with gas instead of paint? What does this achieve that a tear-gas grenade doesn't do more effectively? And shooting small objects at people means endangering them of getting hit in the eyes or other sensitive spots... not a pretty thought.
http://www.politicalcompass.org/test
Economic Left/Right: -7.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.74

This is pre-WWII. You can sort of tell from the sketch style, from thee way it refers to Japan (Japan in the 1950s was still rebuilding from WWII), the spelling of Tokyo, lots of details. Nothing obvious... except that the upper right hand corner of the page reads "November 1931." --- Simon_Jester
User avatar
Lord Pounder
Pretty Hate Machine
Posts: 9695
Joined: 2002-11-19 04:40pm
Location: Belfast, unfortunately
Contact:

Re: British Police Investing In New Riot-Control Technologie

Post by Lord Pounder »

Surely the cheaper and more effective solution is to mix in a indellible dye with the water cannon then you can pick up the rioters, concentrate on containing them and pick them up after they've toddled off home. A nice bright red would be hard to miss if it was soaked in to your skin.
RIP Yosemite Bear
Gone, Never Forgotten
Chirios
Jedi Knight
Posts: 502
Joined: 2010-07-09 12:27am

Re: British Police Investing In New Riot-Control Technologie

Post by Chirios »

Skgoa wrote:So they basicly want to shoot paintball balls filled with gas instead of paint? What does this achieve that a tear-gas grenade doesn't do more effectively? And shooting small objects at people means endangering them of getting hit in the eyes or other sensitive spots... not a pretty thought.
Is skunk oil or whatever fundamentally less dangerous than tear gas is?
User avatar
Silver Jedi
Padawan Learner
Posts: 299
Joined: 2002-07-24 12:15am
Location: The D of C
Contact:

Re: British Police Investing In New Riot-Control Technologie

Post by Silver Jedi »

Skgoa wrote:So they basicly want to shoot paintball balls filled with gas instead of paint? What does this achieve that a tear-gas grenade doesn't do more effectively? And shooting small objects at people means endangering them of getting hit in the eyes or other sensitive spots... not a pretty thought.
I was actually thinking just the opposite. A paintball is smaller and less massive than a gas canister, which means less KE, which means it's less like to injure someone if it hits them. If I had to choose, I know I'd rather be hit in the head with a 3 gram paintball that will burst on impact than a 15oz metal tear gas grenade.
Not a n00b, just a lurker

108th post on Wed Jun 28, 2006 A Whoop!

200th post on Fri Feb 3, 2012 Six months shy of a decade!
Post Reply