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It’s the legislative equivalent of plugging your ears, closing your eyes, and screaming “I can’t hear you!”

North Carolina’s General Assembly has proposed a bill that would prevent scientists from using modern, scientific models to accurately predict what might happen to sea levels if climate change continues unabated.

Let that sink in for a minute.

Rather than use science to accurately predict what might happen to its valuable coast areas, and thereby educate its citizens about what can be done to prepare for this change, North Carolina’s political leaders would rather just make the truth illegal.

Typically, scientists use an exponential model to predict how much sea levels will rise if global temperatures continue to do the same. They have to use a non-linear model because each time the climate warms even a fraction of a degree, it has a major impact on the ocean’s current volume as well as ice cap melt rates.

Taking these variables into account, most climate experts say that sea levels will rise at least three feet by the end of the century. But this doesn’t sit well with a group of legislators from 20 coastal NC counties whose economies will be most impacted by the swelling seas. So, they’ve introduced Replacement House Bill 819, which makes it illegal for state scientists to use exponential models to predict changes in sea level.

The key language is in section 2, paragraph e, talking about rates of sea level rise: “These rates shall only be determined using historical data, and these data shall be limited to the time period following the year 1900. Rates of seas-level rise may be extrapolated linearly. …”

“It goes on,” writes Scott Huler for Scientific American, “but there’s the core: North Carolina legislators have decided that the way to make exponential increases in sea level rise – caused by those inconvenient feedback loops we keep hearing about from scientists – go away is to make it against the law to extrapolate exponential; we can only extrapolate along a line predicted by previous sea level rises.”

Under the new, linear-only rule, the state-appointed board of scientists of the NC Coastal Resources Commission would only be able to predict an 8-inch sea level rise by the end of the century. And that leaves the legislators from those 20 coastal counties feeling just tickled pink.

Now this level of denial might seem shocking, but it’s par for the course in North Carolina. Throughout it’s history, the state has attempted to legislate away lots of pesky things that it just didn’t like, including abortion, gay marriage and racial integration. Unfortunately, this war on reality does nothing more than jeopardize the physical and economic safety of North Carolina’s citizens, who would probably like to know the truth about what’s in store for their state.

Personally, I’m almost looking forward to the day when, knee deep in water on the front porches of their Outer Banks mansions, these legislators will be forced to inform the ocean that it’s breaking the law.

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So, they’ve introduced Replacement House Bill 819, which makes it illegal for state scientists to use exponential models to predict changes in sea level.
So, they’ve introduced Replacement House Bill 819, which makes it illegal for state scientists to use exponential models to predict changes in sea level.


Holy shit. A bill that micromanages the predictive models that scientists can use. Holy motherfucking shit, this is gold...small government indeed!
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Posted without comment, because I'm pushing the boundaries of what's acceptable outside of Testing already.
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...Wow.

I shouldn't be stunned, but...wow.
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Wait, you're surprised by this?
Conservatards have long harped on how wrong predictive methods of science supposedly are. On the one hand they harp "well if we extrapolate X exponentially then it shows that the Earth is only that old", and then they try to discredit actual (instead of their made-up) models altogether.

Really, Republicans and fundamentalist christians are trying to discredit science whereever they run into it - whether it's climate science ("global warming is a scam/conspiracy), astrophysics ("the big bang is a fraud"), geology ("the earth is 6000 years old"), medicine ("AIDS is caused by homosexuality" "abortions cause breast cancer" "birth control is abortion"), biology ("evolution is wrong") or psychology ("homosexuality is a choice").

The reason is simple: Science contradicts their worldview, they don't like that, and they are too dumb to do anything but fight against things they don't like.
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Zaune wrote: Posted without comment, because I'm pushing the boundaries of what's acceptable outside of Testing already.
Personally I think that bill itself is Testing material.
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I think this is more along the lines of "we know it's true, but nothing can stand in the way of people and companies buying up our premium coastal property," rather than "Science is Evil." It's underhanded and unethical... so it's politics.
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Hahahaha... this is such a good joke....!

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Men talk, nature acts. It's one thing to try and rig the game with finance or the economy, it's quite another to try and fool Mother Nature. Reality, as they say, has a liberal bias. These people ar basically outlawing reality.

That doesn't work so well.
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Wasn't this whole "ordering nature around" disproved by some king a thousand years ago? Although that was regarding the tides IIRC so perhaps NC hopes for a different outcome with global warming.
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CJvR wrote:Wasn't this whole "ordering nature around" disproved by some king a thousand years ago? Although that was regarding the tides IIRC so perhaps NC hopes for a different outcome with global warming.
I think Canute was trying to make a more general point there :D
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Henry of Huntingdon, the 12th-century chronicler, tells how Cnut set his throne by the sea shore and commanded the tide to halt and not wet his feet and robes. Yet "continuing to rise as usual [the tide] dashed over his feet and legs without respect to his royal person. Then the king leapt backwards, saying: 'Let all men know how empty and worthless is the power of kings, for there is none worthy of the name, but He whom heaven, earth, and sea obey by eternal laws.' He then hung his gold crown on a crucifix, and never wore it again "to the honour of God the almighty King".
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Huntingdon? That's my local town. Never heard of this guy, though.
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Serafina wrote:Wait, you're surprised by this?
No...but rejections of reality like this make me wonder about the fate of this country in the next few decades.
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This reminds me of the beginning of Superman:The Movie, where Trevor Howard tells Marlon Brando that not only is he not allowed to do anything about the looming destruction of Krypton, but he can't talk about it either unless he wants to be banished like Terence Stamp.
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Reading the bill, this really seems to be more about changing the rules on when people can rebuild storm damaged homes then anything else, as laws exist restricting rebuilding near the shoreline already, and scientists not working for the government are unaffected. As you'd expect, since it would be a blatant first amendment violation to restrict the speech of anyone else.
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Sea Skimmer wrote:Reading the bill, this really seems to be more about changing the rules on when people can rebuild storm damaged homes then anything else, as laws exist restricting rebuilding near the shoreline already, and scientists not working for the government are unaffected. As you'd expect, since it would be a blatant first amendment violation to restrict the speech of anyone else.
It is still pretty bad in that it's politicians are telling scientists how to do their job.
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It would be sort of like if politicians in a Western state told state employees that they had to assume the fire hazard in a given area would be low, even if it was going to be high.

It's playing stupid games with health and safety, mostly because of people who don't want to hear inconvenient facts like "your house will sink into the sea if you build it there."
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Of course its still bad, but they are doing it for more then just a blind ideology. In any event, it still has to actually pass, which I doubt it will. Insane stuff is proposed all the time, mainly to get headlines as this has.
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Pendleton wrote:Huntingdon? That's my local town. Never heard of this guy, though.
I imagine a fair bit has changed since the 12th century. :wtf:
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Phantasee wrote: I imagine a fair bit has changed since the 12th century. :wtf:
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