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Pastor at Indiana megachurch fired for relationship with teenage girl
An Indiana sheriff's office is investigating alleged misconduct by the pastor of an evangelical megachurch who was fired after admitting to an "improper relationship" with a teenage girl, the Hammond Post-Tribune reports.

Jack Schaap, 54, was pastor at 15,000-congregation First Baptist Church of Hammond, Ind., for 11 years and broadcast his sermons worldwide.

The church said in a news release that Schaap committed "a sin that has caused him to forfeit his right to be our pastor," the Associated Press reports.

The Lake County Sheriff's Department says it is investigating the alleged misconduct but does not expect to file charges, the Post-Tribune reports.

A church spokesman says the teenager is 17 years old and was at least 16 years old -- the age of consent in Indiana -- at the time of the incident.
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What the fuck is it with people? He is lucky the age of consent is 16, and so far, no evidence existed that force was involved, or that there was any sexual contact before she was 16.

This may be legal, but it sure as hell is not moral.
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Definitely its not moral-adultery plus the whole person in authority having a relationship with a subordinate.

I've known about Jack Schaap for a couple of years and he and his church is definitely the Elmer Gantry type. Their denomination (the Independent Baptists) are those that consider the Southern Baptists too liberal.
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Whatever else happens, I hope that girl's name doesn't get out. However, given that she attended the church, that is probably too much to hope for.
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another non crime scandel, what the fuck, sure it's an age/power thing, but given conservative sex scandels lately, your supposed to require to have a dead girl or a live boy...
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Is it sad that I was relieved to see it was a girl and not a boy?
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CaptainChewbacca wrote:Is it sad that I was relieved to see it was a girl and not a boy?
Yes. Because the abuse is just as bad when it happens to a girl as when it happens to a boy.
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CaptainChewbacca wrote:Is it sad that I was relieved to see it was a girl and not a boy?
Yes. Because the abuse is just as bad when it happens to a girl as when it happens to a boy.
Hang on, what abuse? I saw no mention of "abuse". I saw mention of two people of age of consent engaged in a sexual relationship. Some may complain about the age difference, but if we're going to complain about two people of different ages in a relationship, you may as well also complain about people of different races, or the same sex. It's the same damn thing, and none of our business.

If you're going to claim he used his "position of authority" to press the girl into a relationship, I'll assume you have more evidence than the above article and "well, it stands to reason, don't it?". I'd like to see it posted.

If you're claiming it was immoral because he was already married, well then, fine. You have a solid point, particularly as he's a pastor and therefore a morality cop. Him being sacked is completely warranted. But that's not abuse.
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Serafina wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:Is it sad that I was relieved to see it was a girl and not a boy?
Yes. Because the abuse is just as bad when it happens to a girl as when it happens to a boy.
I'm guessing from context that he meant a young (though currently of legal age) girl as opposed to an underage boy?

Or maybe that same-sex affairs between a young person and their married employer are worse than regular ones, but that doesn't sound like something he'd say. Though I guess it's more hypocritical that way given the pastor's likely views on homosexuality.

EDIT:

Went back and reread the article and it doesn't say anything about the girl being his employee or even a member of his congregation. My bad.
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CaptainChewbacca wrote:Is it sad that I was relieved to see it was a girl and not a boy?
Yes. Because the abuse is just as bad when it happens to a girl as when it happens to a boy.
OTOH if the situation were a 17 year old boy and his 34 year old female teacher people snigger at the notion that the boy was "abused".

At least that's how I recall the discussion going the last time that happened :/
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Interesting testimony by the daughter of the preceding pastor at Hammond Baptist (even if one disagrees with the additional commentary provided by Mr. Cloud):
“My dad pastored a church that evolved into a 50,000-member cult. It operated and still operates under the guise of an independent fundamental Baptist church. But those who have left, the followers who have tried to leave, the outsiders, even the media (it was on 20/20 last year) recognize that it is clearly a cult.

“Every member was in complete obedience to my father. They didn’t dare disagree or be disloyal, for fear of being publicly ridiculed or punished or banished for doing so. They didn’t go on a vacation without asking my dad’s permission, and if he had said to drink the Kool-aid, I’m not kidding, they would have.

“My dad lived a double life, one of a righteous family man and of a dynamic speaker in the public eye, but [another] one of sordid sexual secrets privately, secrets that only my siblings and me and my mom knew. He hated my mom. Hated her. Treated her terribly. Abused her. And even turned his own children against his mother. We hated her. He told us she was crazy. We thought to make him happy, we would hate her too. Our home was so full of turmoil, hatred, stress, strife, and as a little girl, it was isolating, it was intense, and it was frightening. He had affairs. He had a mistress for many years, the wife of a Sunday School teacher. He built her family a beautiful home right around the corner from our house. You could see their family from our back door. It was craziness, living one way, preaching another.

“My older brother became another version of my father. He pastored a church in Texas and was found to be having affairs with 14 different women. He divorced his wife and married one of the 14. My father tried desperately to cover it up. He moved him to another church where he was found to have had 17 affairs with different women, and he just recreated what he had seen my dad live. And my dad did nothing but cover it up. I felt like I had one main responsibility as a child. It was simple, but daunting, and that was to keep all the secrets, and there were so many.

“You see, he had taught us that the best way to please God was to please him, because he was God’s man. He taught us that to please him we had to keep all the secrets. We could never even tell our best friends what went on in our home, because we might be the cause of the destruction of his ministry. I literally feared for my very life if I ever told what went on in our home, for fear that it would hurt his ministry. I was so afraid, and the greater the secrets, the greater my fear, and the greater my determination to keep quiet.

“I got to tell you that the money part of it was pretty nice. As a kid--think about it, tithes and offerings from 50,000 people, hello--it created a lavish lifestyle. My father owned most of the city where the church was. He owned a college, two high schools, two grade schools, a cemetery, lots of buildings. He was very wealthy. And even to our adult years, he owned us. He owned our homes, our cars, our furniture. He owned our lives, and we didn’t dare cross him, because we were too afraid we would lose everything. He died a multi-millionaire. He left nothing to his children. He left everything to the organization, which my younger sister and her husband now lead. And they still perpetuate his legacy: the strict rules, the undying loyalty, and they still try to keep all the secrets”
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AniThyng wrote:
Serafina wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:Is it sad that I was relieved to see it was a girl and not a boy?
Yes. Because the abuse is just as bad when it happens to a girl as when it happens to a boy.
OTOH if the situation were a 17 year old boy and his 34 year old female teacher people snigger at the notion that the boy was "abused".

At least that's how I recall the discussion going the last time that happened :/
Or given the man's political background, maybe he means "Oh no, not another closeted homophobe".
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Huh. Am I the only one genuinely surprised that this was not a gay christian scandal? And not even a christian priest paedophilia scandal!

(Sorry Gentiles, Pastor, priest, the only difference as far as i'm concerned is denomination :D)
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not at all, infact many of us have spoken that while creepy, it's suprising that it wasn't a wrose abuses of power...

hell it seemed mild in comparison...
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Wow, what a surprise. Who would have ever thought a megachurch chief would be an ethically reprehensible individual? :roll:
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The Grim Squeaker wrote:Huh. Am I the only one genuinely surprised that this was not a gay christian scandal? And not even a christian priest paedophilia scandal!

(Sorry Gentiles, Pastor, priest, the only difference as far as i'm concerned is denomination :D)
Considering that a few years back there was sex-abuse scandal conserning a minor sect of the lutherian church, I think it's safe to say pedo-priests aren't a catholic only problem.
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last I checked Lewis Carrol was also a Church of England priest wanna be before he became a math teacher, so it's never been a catholic only problem really...
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Serafina wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:Is it sad that I was relieved to see it was a girl and not a boy?
Yes. Because the abuse is just as bad when it happens to a girl as when it happens to a boy.
True. But if it had been 'same-sex', the people involved could be in physical danger. Some people 'associated' with those Megachurchs (even just the parish members) can be rather, extreme, in there perceptions and reactions.
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The Yosemite Bear wrote:last I checked Lewis Carrol was also a Church of England priest wanna be before he became a math teacher, so it's never been a catholic only problem really...
the author of "alice in wonderland"? I though there was never any solid evidence to label him a pedophile, just something that may be merely something that was considered harmless (and non sexual) at the time. (note I'm not defending pedophilia, just reminding that, what's considered sexual content has changed over time and people had different values in the past)

regardless I was refering to the way media and internet tends make it a catholic only problem.
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Well it's inconclusive however given the book of nudes he published, we could definatly by todays standards he definatly produced child porn.
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