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"Breaking Up the Echo" NY Times editorial

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An article in the New York Times editorial section that I found interesting, thought I'd share it with you people.

Sorry for any spelling or grammar errors that may have crept in while copying this by hand from the newspaper.

Breaking Up the Echo Chamber, by Cass R. Sunstein:
It is well known that when like-minded people get together, they tend to end up thinking a more extreme version of what they thought before they started to talk. The same kind of echo-chamber effect can happen as people get news from various media. Liberals viewing MSNBC or reading left-of-center blogs may well end up embracing liberal talking points even more firmly; conservative fans of Fox News may well react in similar fashion on the right.

The result can be a situation in which beliefs do not merely harden but migrate toward the extreme ends of the political spectrum. As current events in the Middle East demonstrate, discussions among like-minded people can ultimately produce violence.

The remedy for easing such polarization, here and abroad, may seem straightforward: provide balanced information to people of all sides. Surely, we might speculate, such information will correct falsehoods and promote mutual understanding. This, of course, has been a hope of countless dedicated journalists and public officials.

Unfortunately, evidence suggests that balanced presentations - in which competing arguments or positions are laid out side by side - may not help. At least when people begin with firmly held convictions, such an approach is likely to increase polarization rather than reduce it.

Indeed, that's what a number of academic studies done over the last three decades have found. Such studies typically proceed in three stages. First, the experimenters assemble a group of people who have clear views on some controversial issue (such as capital punishment or sexual orientation). Second, the study subjects are provided with plausible arguments on both sides of the issue. And finally, the researchers test how attitudes have shifted as a result of exposure to the balanced presentations.

You might expect that people's views would soften and that divisions between groups would get smaller. That is not what usually happens. On the contrary, people's original beliefs tend to harden and the original divisions typically get bigger. Balanced presentations can fuel unbalanced views.

What explains this? The answer is called "biased assimiliation," which means that people assimilate new information in a selective fashion. When people get information that supports what they initially thought, they give it considerable weight. When they get information that undermines their initial beliefs, they tend to dismiss it.

In this light, it is understandable that when people begin with opposing initial beliefs on, say, the death penalty, balanced information can heighten their initial disagreement. Those who tend to favor capital punishment credit the information that supports their original view and dismiss the opposing information. The same happens on the other side. As a result, divisions widen.

This natural human tendency explains why it's so hard to dislodge false rumors and factual errors. Corrections can even be self-defeating, leading people to stronger commitment to their erroneous beliefs.

A few years ago, for example, both liberals and conservatives were provided with correct and apparently credible information showing that the George W. Bush administration was wrong to think that Iraq had an active unconventional weapons program. After recieving the correct information, conservatives became even more likely to believe that Iraq had such weapons and was seeking to develop more.

The news here is not encouraging. In the face of entrenched social divisions, there's a risk that presentations that carefully explore both sides will be counterproductive. And when a group, responding to false information, becomes more strident, efforts to correct the record may make things worse.

Can anything be done? There is no simple term for the answer, so let's make one up: surprising validators.

People tend to dismiss information that would falsify their convictions. But they may reconsider if the information comes from a source they cannot dismiss. People are most likely to find a source credible if they closely identify with it or begin in essential agreement with it. In such cases, their reaction is not, "how predictable and uninformative that someone like that would think something so evil and foolish," but instead "if someone like that disagrees with me, maybe I had better rethink."

Our initial convictions are more apt to be shaken if it's not easy to dismiss the source as biased, confused, self-interested or simply mistaken. This is one reason that seemingly irrelevant characteristics, like appearance or taste in food and drink, can have a big impact on credibility. Such characteristics can suggest that the validators are in fact surprising - that they are "like" the people to whom they are speaking.

It follows that turncoats, real or apparent, can be immensely persuasive. If civil rights leaders oppose affirmative action or if well-known climate change skeptics say that they were wrong, people are more likely to change their views.


Here, then, is a lesson for all those who provide information. What matters most may not be what is said, but who, exactly, is saying it.
I bolded the part I found most interesting. I think it makes a lot of sense, really - people tend to evaluate information on how trustworthy they consider the source, and they tend to consider people they agree with or sense are in important senses like them more trustworthy. The idea presented for short-circuiting this feedback loop also makes sense to me. Thoughts?
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So we get radical Islamic clerics to say that murdering people who insult their religion is wrong. Problem solved.
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I found that article interesting as I would have expected a more balanced reporting of the news (ie, get rid of the MSNBC and FOX style reporting) to be able to make things more leveled. It's kind of surprising that people's beliefs become more entrenched even in that environment, though the explanation makes sense. Interesting read.
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I imagine that over time balanced reporting alone would do away with it, but not entirely and it would be a struggle to keep it balanced as the polarization wore off, especially since those who were still strongly polarized would seek to oppose and remove such balanced media.

It seems here, then, that balanced media prevents polarization, however it is bad at removing it once there.
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This article contradicts my thinking on this subject, so I dismiss it.
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The balanced media approach can't get rid of polarization and extreme views because of the hostile media effect.
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Imperial528 wrote:I imagine that over time balanced reporting alone would do away with it, but not entirely and it would be a struggle to keep it balanced as the polarization wore off, especially since those who were still strongly polarized would seek to oppose and remove such balanced media.
That was my thinking as well. Trouble is, it isn't the 1950s-60s anymore. Walter Cronkite wouldn't be able to drown out the legions of blogs, twitter, Facebook, and other sources people get their op ed news from.
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Darth Wong wrote:This article contradicts my thinking on this subject, so I dismiss it.
Oh you!

I've seen a lot of this personally. Well-respected people saying something counter to the expected narrative, forcing them to stop and think. The late Peter Lougheed, the first Progressive Conservative Premier of Alberta, came out a few years ago reminding us that our oil sands are ours, and not the oil companies to do with as they please. It didn't have a big effect on the current leadership of the party, but on the grassroots level it had an impact, and a lot of people started saying things that sounded like they came from the NDP platform.

If there was a single person that embodied the party's values, it was Lougheed. For him to suggest that we should not ship all our crude to the US, but that we should refine it ourselves, reminded a lot of people of where they really stood, if they were as PC as they thought they were. There's been a shift in thinking on this and several other issues, and the process of change is ongoing now.
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Darth Wong wrote:This article contradicts my thinking on this subject, so I dismiss it.
I sense that someone is trying to make a point, or is just being sarcastic, one of the two.
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I'm no pyschologist, but how does this fit with the being presented with dissenting views is what causes a more permanent opinion shift?
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An interesting study. But the suggestion that "surprising validators" are more likely to change minds is just an intuitive guess.
People tend to dismiss information that would falsify their convictions. But they may reconsider if the information comes from a source they cannot dismiss. People are most likely to find a source credible if they closely identify with it or begin in essential agreement with it. In such cases, their reaction is not, "how predictable and uninformative that someone like that would think something so evil and foolish," but instead "if someone like that disagrees with me, maybe I had better rethink."
Or... they might be just as likely to dismiss the turncoat as an ideological traitor.

Anyway, new plan: get some talented actor to pose as a right-wing ideologue and establish himself as a popular talk-radio persona over the span of a few years. Then, at the height of his popularity, have him suddenly come out in public and say "I was wrong all this time! It turns out that secular-liberalism is the correct viewpoint! Abortions for everyone!"

He'd likely just be fired and branded a traitor.
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He'd need to change his thinking on one issue, while otherwise maintaining the same beliefs as the target audience. If someone agrees with you on 10/10 points and one day says, hey guys this is wrong, he still agrees with you on 9/10 points. He's still one of them, so his change of heart is worth considering.
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I think part of the problem is you don't get a balanced opinion by listening to both sides of the story, you get a balanced opinion by honest assessment of the facts. If I get two articles on the same subject, one from Fox and one from MSNBC, I am much more likely to dismiss the one from Fox because I already see Fox as biased. (more biased than MSNBC anyway. Neither are shining beacons of journalistic ethics) A hardline conservative is more likely to dismiss the piece from MSNBC because he knows it is biased, and this is likely to hold true unless its an exceedingly out of character piece by one or the other.

If we were then offered a third article from a source known to be objective and honest, and always objective and honest by both sides, even if it disagrees with me it is much harder to dismiss than it is for me to say 'well Fox is saying Abortion causes earthquakes and cites a study, but it's Fox so fuck that shit.' Sadly such reporting is boring and largely non existent, I doubt it ever really did exist to be honest.
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