Salvation Army says “Gays Need to Be Put to Death”
By David Volz On 6 Jun, 2013 At 10:00 AM | Categorized As Business News, Gay News, Human Rights | With 2 Comments
sa coverChristmas, it is the time of the year for holiday shopping, and also hearing the bell ringers for the Salvation Army collection donations. Those donations provide Christmas dinners, clothing, and Christmas toys for children in need. The charity collects millions of dollars in donations every year, and they distribute it to needy families, seniors, and the homeless in keeping with the spirit of the holiday season.
The Salvation Army has expressed their Christian beliefs in the past, stating that they do not accept the LGBTQ lifestyle, nor do they stand up for gay marriage. Salvation Army went on record recently, stating that LGBTQ parents should be put to death as the bible instructs. Major Andrew Craibe, a Salvation Army Media Relations Director, went on public radio hosted by journalist Serena Ryan, to discuss a recent call by LGBTQ parents for a boycott of the nonprofit for its anti-gay policies and beliefs.
Ryan questioned Craibe about Salvation Story: Salvationist Handbook of Doctrine, the manual used to train Salvation sa1Army “soldiers” and members. Several chapters refer to the sin of homosexuality, including a section that cites Romans 1:18-32, which includes a admonition that homosexuals “deserved to die”;
“ Ryan: According to the Salvation Army gay parents deserve death. How do you respond to that, as part of your doctrine?”
“Craibe: Well, that’s a part of our belief system.”
Ryan: So they should die.”
“Craibe: You know, we have an alignment to the Scriptures, but that’s our belief.”
“Ryan: You’re proposing in your doctrine that because these parents are gay, that they must die.”
“Craibe: Well, well, because that is part of our Christian doctrine “
“Ryan: But how is that Christian? Shouldn’t it be about love?”
sa5“Craibe: Well, the love that we would show is about that: consideration for all human beings to come to know salvation…”
“Ryan Or die…”
“Craibe: Well, yes.”
Major Bruce Harmer, the Army’s Communications and Public Relations Secretary recently issued the following statement;
“The Salvation Army encompasses a diverse community with a wide range of opinions on human sexuality and other subjects. The senior leadership of The Salvation Army continues to reflect on Christian and Biblical tradition, and especially on the themes of justice and mercy, to further deepen the understandings of our own members and build a more healthy relationship with the LGBTQ community. We pledge to continue to offer services to all and to treat each person with dignity, respect and non-discrimination.”
The salvation is willing to take the money from the LGBTQ community, but they aren’t willing to support them. I remember reading a story a year or two ago about the salvation army not supporting the LGBTQ community, so I stopped supporting them. That red bucket they put out every year for Christmas, depends on people like us, to put money in it. They are a charity that depends on donations to help the families in need.sa3
I think it is horrible that a charity admits they think LGBTQ parents should die. It does not matter who you are or what you believe in. No one deserves death. For a charity to wish death upon the LGBTQ community is distasteful, alarming and hurtful. I think the LGBTQ community needs to take a stand against the Salvation Army. If you do not support us, then we do not support you.
It's not just a theoretical thing. The Salvation Army has actually killed people out of bigotry before: for example the trans woman they kicked out of their shelter because they saw her as a man invading women's space and who died from exposure that night.
Not discriminating against sexual orientation doesn't rule out Jogurt's example above. Didn't we just have a discussion about how even people who are accepting or tolerant of Gays can do horrible shit to transgender individuals?
EDIT: Seriously. It's like three threads down in the discussion on the Gay Rights bill. Gays have made significant inroads towards being accepted or at least tolerated by society at large. the "T" segment of the LGBT community has not.
And this is why you don't watch anything produced by Ronald D. Moore after he had his brain surgically removed and replaced with a bag of elephant semen.-Gramzamber, on why Caprica sucks
Regardless of the truthiness of the OP, it's a fact that the Salvation Army is "the Army of Salvation". They're a Christian group. Everyone in their upper echelons is not only Christian, but an ordained minister. And they tend towards the slightly fundie end of the Christian scale. Source: my wife worked for them for a couple years (hey, it was a job).
"preemptive killing of cops might not be such a bad idea from a personal saftey[sic] standpoint..." --Keevan Colton
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Beowulf wrote:Regardless of the truthiness of the OP, it's a fact that the Salvation Army is "the Army of Salvation". They're a Christian group. Everyone in their upper echelons is not only Christian, but an ordained minister. And they tend towards the slightly fundie end of the Christian scale. Source: my wife worked for them for a couple years (hey, it was a job).
One of my jobs is working for a coal terminal. . . .Certainly not a big supporter of coal
"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
Thomas Paine
"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."
Ecclesiastes 9:5 (KJV)
The only stuff we ever donate to the salvation army anymore are clothes and canned goods. I suspect all of that actually goes to the homeless since it's not like they can sell it for cash to fund anti-gay bills or anything.
And this is why you don't watch anything produced by Ronald D. Moore after he had his brain surgically removed and replaced with a bag of elephant semen.-Gramzamber, on why Caprica sucks
Darksider wrote:The only stuff we ever donate to the salvation army anymore are clothes and canned goods. I suspect all of that actually goes to the homeless since it's not like they can sell it for cash to fund anti-gay bills or anything.
They sell clothing in their thrift stores
"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
Thomas Paine
"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."
Ecclesiastes 9:5 (KJV)
This is the same organisation that left me to go sleep in a park because I was a foreign national after things went horribly wrong in Canada, so my respect for them was already fairly limited. This is just the last straw.
Fellow Brits, I suggest donating to Shelter or buying the Big Issue instead.
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