Curious about an issue and maybe people can help straighten me out here
Reading a claim that on average, Western Europe taxes at a much higher rate but only gets marginally more revenue out of it.
Is this the case? Is there reasons I need to understand?
Taxes in Europe vs Taxes in US
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Taxes in Europe vs Taxes in US
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Re: Taxes in Europe vs Taxes in US
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... _tax_rates
Should be accurate.
Remember though that the US tax rate does not include health insurance which is covered by taxes in a lot of countries.
Should be accurate.
Remember though that the US tax rate does not include health insurance which is covered by taxes in a lot of countries.
Re: Taxes in Europe vs Taxes in US
I am going to claim bullshit on that one until someone shows me the numbers.Kitsune wrote:Curious about an issue and maybe people can help straighten me out here
Reading a claim that on average, Western Europe taxes at a much higher rate but only gets marginally more revenue out of it.
Is this the case? Is there reasons I need to understand?
What I am guessing is that the whole spiel happened because the guys conveniently forgot to include local state taxes in the US tax level. This always happens in discussions like this.
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Re: Taxes in Europe vs Taxes in US
Only had two charts throw at me
"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
Thomas Paine
"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."
Ecclesiastes 9:5 (KJV)
Thomas Paine
"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."
Ecclesiastes 9:5 (KJV)
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Re: Taxes in Europe vs Taxes in US
Kitsune wrote:Only had two charts throw at me
America is a fair bit wealthier than Western Europe per capita. Ballparking it in my head that should account for pretty much all the discrepancy in the graph, one of which uses % taxation and one which deals in absolute dollars.
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Re: Taxes in Europe vs Taxes in US
Yeah, the problem is that the graphs don't measure the same thing.
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Re: Taxes in Europe vs Taxes in US
I am now reading taht the person is being dishonest in his argument
"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
Thomas Paine
"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."
Ecclesiastes 9:5 (KJV)
Thomas Paine
"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."
Ecclesiastes 9:5 (KJV)
Re: Taxes in Europe vs Taxes in US
Then there is the fact taxes are measured in presumably converted dollars, not purchasing power parity. Or "forgetting" taxes in EU buy you stuff you pay out of your pocket in USA.
Re: Taxes in Europe vs Taxes in US
I was thinking about that 15% of American's income is medical expensesIrbis wrote:Then there is the fact taxes are measured in presumably converted dollars, not purchasing power parity. Or "forgetting" taxes in EU buy you stuff you pay out of your pocket in USA.
My big argument is that the US needs to work on restoring both a better income level for the lower levels and restoring safety nets.
"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
Thomas Paine
"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."
Ecclesiastes 9:5 (KJV)
Thomas Paine
"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."
Ecclesiastes 9:5 (KJV)
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Re: Taxes in Europe vs Taxes in US
Lets see:Kitsune wrote:Only had two charts throw at me
- 2010 vs 2007 figures. Smells of cherry picking.
- Tax revenue source is unnamed
- Are western Europe countries similar enough in tax rate and tax revenue for lumping them together to make sense ?
- Are states within the US similar enough for lumping them together to make sense ?
- First chart only mentions labor and consumption taxes. What about other taxes that count towards the revenue chart ?