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You can still be put to death for atheism in 13 countries

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You can be put to death for atheism in 13 countries around the world

The IHEU Freedom of Thought Report 2013 has been published online today at its dedicated website freethoughtreport.com/download-the-report.

It is the first report focusing specifically on the rights, legal status, and discrimination against Humanists, atheists and the non-religious in every country in the world.

The report found that:

•You can be put to death for expressing atheism in 13 countries
•In 39 countries the law mandates a prison sentence for blasphemy, including six western countries

•The non-religious are discriminated against, or outright persecuted, in most countries of the world
A new report launching today, Tuesday, examines every country in the world for legal discrimination and human rights violations which specifically affect atheists, humanists and the non-religious.

The "Freedom of Thought" report by the International Humanist and Ethical Union, IHEU, found widespread discrimination by governments in every region.

Issues from children forced to pray in school classrooms, to the most "Grave Violations".such as death for breaking "blasphemy" laws, are considered in the report's comprehensive rating system.

Death for unbelievers

12 countries in Africa, 9 in Asia, and 10 in the Middle East, were given the worst rating for committing "Grave Violations". Some of these governments were found to openly incite hatred against atheists, or authorities which systematically fail to prosecute violent crimes against atheists.

Furthermore, in 12 of the worst-offending states, religious authorities can put atheists to death for the crime of "apostasy" (i.e. leaving religion; in all cases the religion was Islam).

Blasphemy

Around the world, the Report found 55 countries with 'blasphemy' laws on the books, or other laws forbidding criticism or "insult" to religion. In 39 such countries the law mandates a prison sentence for blasphemers.

Three states, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Iran, can execute "blasphemers". In another three states, militant Islamists acting as religious authorities in some areas are also dealing out Sharia punishment including death for "offences" to religion: namely Al-Shabaab in Somalia, Boko Haram and other Islamists in Nigeria, and the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Victims speak out

The President of the IHEU, Sonja Eggerickx, said, "The opening words in last year's edition of the report, came from the UN Special Rapporteur on Freedom of Religion or Belief. This year we thought we would flip it around: we asked the victims to introduce our work."

The report's opening remarks come from two atheists accused of apostasy and blasphemy and now living in exile or in hiding. (The cases of both Alber Saber and Kacem El Ghazzali are also featured in the report).

In the opening remarks, Kacem and Alber write:

"Freedom of thought and belief must not be compromised. When regimes violently attack people for their ideas and beliefs, all human rights suffer... In spite of international treaties and conventions, many states discriminate in subtler but important ways. And this has a global impact. Laws against "insulting" religion in relatively secure, relatively secular countries, for example, are not only analogues of the most vicious blasphemy laws anywhere in the world, but help to sustain the global norm under which thought is policed and punished."

Blasphemy in western countries

In line with their words, several possibly unexpected nations come out rather badly on the scale of five classifications -- which range upward in severity from "Free and Equal", through "Mostly Satisfactory", "Systemic Discrimination", "Severe Discrimination", to "Grave Violations".

Four western countries are rated "Severe" because they can jail people for breaking laws prohibiting 'blasphemy' and other free speech on religion.

Those countries are Iceland (a sentence of jail for up to 3 months), Denmark (up to 4 months), New Zealand (up to a year), Poland (up to two years), Germany (up to three years) and Greece (up to three years)
. Jail time could be handed to someone who simply "blasphemes God" in the case of Greece, or "insults the content of other's religious faith" in the case of Germany.

The Report's editor Bob Churchill, commented, "It may seem strange to see some of these countries up there with Uzbekistan or Ethiopia (also rated "Severe") but as Kacem and Alber say in the preface, these laws set a trend. Failure to abolish them in one place means they're more likely to stay on the books in another place, where they can be disastrous. And even in the western countries with blasphemy-type laws there is evidence that they chill free expression, and in some countries, like Greece and Germany, people are actually prosecuted and convicted and do jail time under these laws.

"All those six western states outlawing blasphemy only got a Severe rating because of that law. They might not have a completely clean slate, but they wouldn't have a Severe rating if they abolished that law."

IHEU hopes the report will help shed light on how lesser but systemic discrimination in most countries privileges religion and that it will drive change on the worst violations.

"Abolition of blasphemy is what the EU Guidelines on Freedom of Religion or Belief are pushing for, it's what the UN Special Rapporteur on freedom of religion or belief wants: a global repeal of blasphemy to protect everyone's right to convert. If these six countries can't do it, what hope is there for countries that punish insults to religion with death?"
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The western countries in question...
Those countries are Iceland (a sentence of jail for up to 3 months), Denmark (up to 4 months), New Zealand (up to a year), Poland (up to two years), Germany (up to three years) and Greece (up to three years). Jail time could be handed to someone who simply "blasphemes God" in the case of Greece, or "insults the content of other's religious faith" in the case of Germany.
From the article, it sounds like some of these countries have 'blasphemy' laws that are based on the assumption of religious consensus within the state (Greece and Greek Orthodoxy, if Ireland had blasphemy laws they'd obviously be for the protection of Catholicism).

Meanwhile, others have what amount to hate speech laws that prohibit certain statements about religions.

Interesting that the report lumps the two classes together, and then puts some countries we normally think of as very human-rights-conscious into that conjoined category.
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wautd wrote:So if you were planning to go to the World Championship in Quatar you better believe in invisible pink unicorns or something :roll:
I recommend "lip service" as a defensive measure. Temporarily faking religion on a brief trip strikes me as a viable strategy.

Now, living long-term under such conditions is a bit different, it's being in the closet.

I also suspect some of the European anti-blasphemy laws are historical artifacts from an earlier time. They should still be taken off the books if objectionable.
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Unless you are a Muslim who left the Faith they aren't going to be executing you in Qatar.
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Simon_Jester wrote:Interesting that the report lumps the two classes together, and then puts some countries we normally think of as very human-rights-conscious into that conjoined category.
Being "human rights conscious" doesn't stop you being crap on human rights. Just look at how US universities are praised for blatantly discriminating against Asian-Americans in the name of affirmative action.
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AniThyng wrote:Unless you are a Muslim who left the Faith they aren't going to be executing you in Qatar.
Ah, OK that makes it fine then. Here I was getting worried there'd be yet another reason against organizing the WC in a semi-medieval country.
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wautd wrote:
AniThyng wrote:Unless you are a Muslim who left the Faith they aren't going to be executing you in Qatar.
Ah, OK that makes it fine then. Here I was getting worried there'd be yet another reason against organizing the WC in a semi-medieval country.
Heck even if you were a muslim who left the faith, if you were also a citizen of a country that would not actually move heaven and earth to get you out I think you have bigger problems than fear of being put to death in Qatar.
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Broomstick wrote:I also suspect some of the European anti-blasphemy laws are historical artifacts from an earlier time. They should still be taken off the books if objectionable.
The New Zealand ones definitely aren't being enforced. The only snag the Atheist bus campaign hit here was the bus companies refusing to allow it on their busses. So the messages went up on billboards instead.

Making it probably a law that is only going to be on the books until someone tries to enforce it.
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wautd wrote:Ah, OK that makes it fine then. Here I was getting worried there'd be yet another reason against organizing the WC in a semi-medieval country.
How does that make it fine and what's a semi-medieval country?
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wautd wrote:Ah, OK that makes it fine then. Here I was getting worried there'd be yet another reason against organizing the WC in a semi-medieval country.
How does that make it fine
Because I was sarcastic? I find it awful that FIFA so blatantly chooses money over ethics.

and what's a semi-medieval country?
It looks modern on the outside, but it still runs on medieval laws and modern slavery. You know, kinda like Dubai
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wautd wrote:Because I was sarcastic? I find it awful that FIFA so blatantly chooses money over ethics.
Most countries and people do that.
It looks modern on the outside, but it still runs on medieval laws and modern slavery. You know, kinda like Dubai
Outside of a handful of countries, this describes the whole world. Backwards laws, low pay and no protection for foreigners and so on. Have you got something against the Gulf states specifically?
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Broomstick wrote:I also suspect some of the European anti-blasphemy laws are historical artifacts from an earlier time. They should still be taken off the books if objectionable.
These artefacts did, within my lifetime, lead to a woman in Germany getting several years in jail for saying Christianity is a band of criminals. Within last decade it did lead to man getting suspended jail time and months of community service. All that stops judges from issuing prison for it is their whims, and quite a lot of right wing politicians would still go further and hand jail for every blasphemy, not just public ones. All of the above is very sane and reassuring.

Not only is the law a crime on the equality of religious vs non-religious, it makes some religions better than others, too. If your religion has message of peace and ignores insults, this law doesn't cover you, as you don't disturb public order. If it has a history of brutality and riots on drop of the hat, judges must issue harsher sentences to remain within letter of the law. Since when law serves to appease lynch mob mentality?
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I'm sure in those 13 countries you could be put to death if you still had faith or even 'official/recognized faith' it's not like any opposing faith gets a smack on the hand and told not to preach the name of your god in public ever again, the thirteen countries mentioned are frankly not a good example of human rights for anyone.
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Broomstick wrote:I also suspect some of the European anti-blasphemy laws are historical artifacts from an earlier time. They should still be taken off the books if objectionable.
These artefacts did, within my lifetime, lead to a woman in Germany getting several years in jail for saying Christianity is a band of criminals. Within last decade it did lead to man getting suspended jail time and months of community service.
The guy wrote Koran on toilet paper and sent it to mosques. That falls under deliberate insult.
All that stops judges from issuing prison for it is their whims
Nope. Once again you fail to understand how the criminal code works in Germany.
Not only is the law a crime on the equality of religious vs non-religious, it makes some religions better than others, too. If your religion has message of peace and ignores insults, this law doesn't cover you, as you don't disturb public order. If it has a history of brutality and riots on drop of the hat, judges must issue harsher sentences to remain within letter of the law. Since when law serves to appease lynch mob mentality?
You are an idiot if you interpret the law that way.
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