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Title got cut off, and I had to try and adjust it.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/21/f ... rol-pills/
FL midwife sues clinic that won’t hire her because she won’t prescribe birth control pills
By Arturo Garcia
Monday, July 21, 2014 23:29 EDT

A Tampa, Florida woman is suing a local reproductive health clinic for not hiring her even though she refuses to prescribe birth control pills to patients per the job description, Slate reported.

Sara Hellwege’s lawsuit argued that the Tampa Family Health Centers violated her religious freedom by not hiring her. Hellwege, a nurse-midwife, told the clinic’s human resources director, Chad Lindsey, via email that she would only prescribe sterilization and barrier methods like condoms and cervical shields.

Hellwege is a member of the American Association of Pro-Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists, a conservative medical group that opposes prescribing the pills because of the organization’s belief that some birth control methods are comparable to abortions.

According to Jezebel, emails between Hellwege and Lindsey show that he informs her that because the clinic follows the Title X Family Planning Program, her application could not proceed because there were no available positions that would exclude her from prescribing birth control.

“Unfortunately, we do not have any positions for antepartum & laborist only,” Lindsey wrote.

“I would still desire to apply for a position that includes postpartum & well-woman/preventative care as well as antepartum & laboral care, under the religious and moral parameters I stated previously,” Hellwege replied. “With that clarification, is it still possible to move forward in your application process?”

Hellwege is being represented in her lawsuit by another conservative group, the Alliance Defending Freedom.

No one deserves to suffer discrimination just because they’re pro-life,” ADF senior legal counsel Matt Bowman said in a statement. “Federal and state law make it clear that being pro-abortion cannot be a prerequisite for employment, nor can federally funded facilities force nurses to assist with practices that could lead to an abortion.
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OOOkay. Lets give her the assumption that people are not hiring her, not because she refuses to do all the duties required, but because of RELIGIOUS DISCRIMINATIONTM. So if discriminating against her for her religious beliefs is bad (irregardless of the situation), can she explain why its ok for her to do the same to people seeking health care who might have different religious views to her? But this looks like another case of religions dressing up people protecting themselves from religious views as somehow persecuting religion. Because god damn it, we have the divine right to discriminate as we see fit.
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I'm siding with the clinic on this one. If I needed to hire someone to work every Saturday, I'm not going to hire a practicing Jew - I don't care if you can work on Monday through Friday, that's not what I need. The same logic applies here - if I need to hire someone to prescribe birth control, you became useless to me the moment you said you wouldn't - the why is irrelevant.
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One still wonders, why the fucking hell did the clinic tell the person why they wouldn't be hired and open themselves up to this obvious trap instead of saying "We have your number and we'll call you(maybe) after we finish this round of interviews", or some such. And then just never call her.
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It wouldn't be beyond the realm of possibility that she intended to entrap the clinic by not mentioning her religious objections until well into the selection process. I've seen it happen before, where virulently anti-Monsanto, anti-GMO activists competed for communications jobs, hiding parts of their history or beliefs that would cause conflict, and then attempting to sabotage work while employed.
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I doubt this will go anywhere. A business is prohibited from discrimination but it's not discrimination if the prospective employee refuses to do the job she is applying for. If the business makes a good faith effort to find a position anyways but can't, then there's nothing they are guilty of. In this case, if they said they would be ok without having her to prescribe birth control pills if she took another position but another position was not available, that's not grounds for a lawsuit.
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Another take on it.


http://www.mommyish.com/2014/07/20/pro- ... es-clinic/
Pro-Life Nurse Sues Clinic After HR Rudely Refuses Her Resume Over Minor Birth Control Objections
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According to a press release from the ironically named religious watch dog group Alliance Defending Freedom or ADF, a pro-life nurse is suing Tampa Family Health Center, a Florida-based family planning clinic, for refusing to consider her application for a certified midwife nurse position. She claims the center only declined her application after discovering that she has a faith-based objection to prescribing certain forms of birth control. When I first read about this case, I wondered why a pro-life nurse would even consider working at a family planning clinic, and I honestly suspected some legal shenanigans were at play to make the clinic look bad. Then I read the email chain between the nurse, Sara Hellwege, and the Director of Human Resources at the clinic, Chad Lindsey. Now not only do I think Hellwege has a decent case, but I think it’s pretty clear that some discrimination did go on.

As anyone who even casually follows my work knows, I am stridently, vocally pro-choice. And for the most part I believe that anyone with religious objections to abortion or birth control should probably not be working in a family planning center. That would be like a vegetarian applying for a butcher position and then refusing to touch meat. But that isn’t what happened here. She is also not suing for “not being hired,” which is how many media sources are reporting it. Hellwege is suing because her application was only denied once her connection to a faith-based pro-life organization was discovered.

According to the email chain provided by ADF, Lindsey seemed very interested in Hellwege’s resume. Numerous emails go back and forth between the two, with Lindsey asking various questions about Hellwege’s qualifications and other administrative concerns. Then Lindsey notices Hellewege’s affiliation with the American Association of Pro-Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists (AAPLOG). Lindsey’s concerns are understandable, seeing as Tampa Family Health Center is a Title X status facility, which means they receive federal grants for providing comprehensive family planning and other related preventative health services to low-income individuals. When Lindsay asks Hellwege whether her pro-life beliefs would cause her to “decline an interview if offered one”, citing the facilities Title X status, her response is concise and, at least in my opinion, perfectly reasonable:

Sara Hellwege email 1
ADFmedia.org
“Hi Mr. Lindsey,

Thanks for such a timely response. Yes, I am a member of AAPLOG. Due to religious guidelines, I am able to counsel women regarding all forms of contraception, however, cannot Rx it unless pathology exists – however have no issue with barrier methods & sterilization. If offered an interview, is there a position available for antepartum & laborist only, or do all CNMs perform postpartum & well woman/preventative care?”

To which Lindsey answered:

Sara Hellwege email 2
ADFmedia.org
“Good morning,

Due to the fact we are a Title X organization and you are a member of AAPLOG we would be unable to move forward in the interviewing process. An unfortunately, we do not have any positions for antepartum & laborist only.

Good luck in your future endeavors.”

I think the wording here is seriously shady. No where does Hellwege say that she is only interested in antepartum and laborist positions, she merely asks whether these positions are available. The fact that Lindsey immediately shuts her down due to her affiliation with a religious group is very problematic. Hellwege goes on to clarify her previous email here:

Sara Hellwege email 4
ADFmedia.org
“Dear Mr. Lindsey,

To clarify, I am not merely seeking a position that encompasses antepartum & laborist care only. I was asking about that option only so I would know if it was available. I would still desire to apply for a position that includes postpartum & well woman/preventative care as well as antepartum & laborist care, within the religious and moral parameters I stated previously. With that clarification, is it still possible for me to move forward in your application process?”

Still a very reasonable question, if you ask me. She’s not insisting she be hired, only asking for the opportunity to be considered, something Lindsey seemed eager to do only a few emails prior to this. Lindsey never responded after this point.

Now, I am as liberal as they come, but the way certain liberal media sources are reporting on this case is reprehensible. Hellwege isn’t some entitled pro-life drama queen insisting on being hired for a job she refuses to do. Hellwege isn’t asking to be hired at all, only considered. And it’s clear to me from this chain of emails that if she wasn’t affiliated with a religious group, she most likely would have been considered. Not only that, but Hellwege seemed more than willing to compromise with this facility to perform the job required. Unlike what many media sources have reported, Hellwege never refused to prescribe ALL forms of birth control, merely anything that may lead to abortion. She is also willing to counsel patients on ALL forms of BC, including abortifacients.

If you’re a masochist that likes to torture yourself with legalese, you can read the official complain here.

Do I agree with Hellwege? No, I do not. Do I think plenty of conservative media sources are exaggerating the degree to which she was discriminated against? Of course they are. But whether or not you or I or Lindsey agrees with her moral opinions is irrelevant. She was discriminated against, plain and simple, and that’s not okay. Even if he didn’t mean to be discriminatory, his poor choice of words and lack of a response to Hellwege’s final email have opened this organization up to legal action, which is unfortunate because they seem to do great work.

Read more: http://www.mommyish.com/2014/07/20/pro- ... z38IfLWro6
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Lord MJ wrote:Another take on it.


http://www.mommyish.com/2014/07/20/pro- ... es-clinic/
.... Lindsey’s concerns are understandable, seeing as Tampa Family Health Center is a Title X status facility, which means they receive federal grants for providing comprehensive family planning and other related preventative health services to low-income individuals. When Lindsay asks Hellwege whether her pro-life beliefs would cause her to “decline an interview if offered one”, citing the facilities Title X status, her response is concise and, at least in my opinion, perfectly reasonable:

Sara Hellwege email 1
ADFmedia.org
“Hi Mr. Lindsey,

Thanks for such a timely response. Yes, I am a member of AAPLOG. Due to religious guidelines, I am able to counsel women regarding all forms of contraception, however, cannot Rx it unless pathology exists – however have no issue with barrier methods & sterilization. If offered an interview, is there a position available for antepartum & laborist only, or do all CNMs perform postpartum & well woman/preventative care?”

To which Lindsey answered:

Sara Hellwege email 2
ADFmedia.org
“Good morning,

Due to the fact we are a Title X organization and you are a member of AAPLOG we would be unable to move forward in the interviewing process. An unfortunately, we do not have any positions for antepartum & laborist only.

Good luck in your future endeavors.”

....

Sara Hellwege email 4
ADFmedia.org
“Dear Mr. Lindsey,

To clarify, I am not merely seeking a position that encompasses antepartum & laborist care only. I was asking about that option only so I would know if it was available. I would still desire to apply for a position that includes postpartum & well woman/preventative care as well as antepartum & laborist care, within the religious and moral parameters I stated previously. With that clarification, is it still possible for me to move forward in your application process?”

Still a very reasonable question, if you ask me. She’s not insisting she be hired, only asking for the opportunity to be considered, something Lindsey seemed eager to do only a few emails prior to this. Lindsey never responded after this point.

Now, I am as liberal as they come, but the way certain liberal media sources are reporting on this case is reprehensible. Hellwege isn’t some entitled pro-life drama queen insisting on being hired for a job she refuses to do. Hellwege isn’t asking to be hired at all, only considered. And it’s clear to me from this chain of emails that if she wasn’t affiliated with a religious group, she most likely would have been considered. Not only that, but Hellwege seemed more than willing to compromise with this facility to perform the job required. Unlike what many media sources have reported, Hellwege never refused to prescribe ALL forms of birth control, merely anything that may lead to abortion. She is also willing to counsel patients on ALL forms of BC, including abortifacients.
...

Read more: http://www.mommyish.com/2014/07/20/pro- ... z38IfLWro6
I don't think this "other take" changes the crux of the matter. It doesn't sound as bad as the original article, now that some context has been added. However the bottom line is this: They nurse stated that as a member of AAPLOG, she would be prohibited from prescribing certain forms of birth control. The Clinics position is that as a title X organization, the position they had available required someone to be able to do this and they did not have a position that would allow her to avoid that aspect.
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I am not sure how this take changes anything and I wondered if the author read the emails properly.

1. There is no position for antepartum & laborist only then there is no job for her, hence no point for her to proceed with the interview. If such a position was available this would likely have allowed her to do her duties yet preserve her "moral" sensibilities.

2. If the position encompasses other duties, then her religious preferences would interfere with those other duties. Sure she could try and swap clinics (if that's allowed) but its far from ideal. In this case she cannot do the job she is hired for because of religious preferences.

At the end of the day, how does this change anything? All it does is show that she is civil in email exchanges.
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