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U.S., China Agree to Curb Greenhouse-Gas Emissions

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The U.S. and China unveiled long-term plans to curb emissions of carbon dioxide and other gases linked to climate change, a surprise move aimed at kick-starting a new round of international climate negotiations and blunting domestic opposition to cuts in both countries.

U.S. President Barack Obama and Chinese President Xi Jinping have been coordinating their CO2-emissions plans for months and met to discuss them jointly Wednesday morning in Beijing, senior U.S. officials said in an earlier conference call with reporters.

The announcement, likely to influence global greenhouse-gas emissions in coming decades, caught most climate-change experts by surprise, as many observers had expected a softer commitment or a set of industry initiatives with limited impact.

The level and time frame of the emissions targets from Washington and Beijing are likely to disappoint some environmentalists, but leading experts concerned about climate change are pleased that China appears to be working in concert with the U.S. and European Union, rather than taking the side of developing countries.

Many emerging economies see carbon-dioxide levels as a problem that industrialized nations created over many years—and need to solve by themselves.

Exhaust is discharged from a coal-fired power plant in Jilin City, in northeast China. Imaginechina/Associated Press .“For the longest time, China stood behind the apron strings of those developing countries,” said Paul Bledsoe climate expert at the German Marshall Fund of the United States think tank. “The real story is: Is China really playing with the U.S. and Europe, or are they gaming us?”

The U.S., China, other major countries and the EU are expected to deliver their detailed plans for achieving the proposed cuts by March, following the formal launch of United Nations-organized climate talks next month in Lima, Peru.

The U.S.-China plan follows the EU’s emissions pledge last month, and a U.S. official said Washington’s commitment cuts carbon emissions at approximately an equal rate.

As part of its plan, the U.S. said Wednesday it would double the average pace of its carbon-dioxide reductions after 2020, eyeing an overall reduction of greenhouse-gas emissions of between 26% and 28% by 2025, compared with 2005 levels.

The American target is built around the Obama administration’s existing regulations for vehicle-emissions standards and power plants. Leading oil and gas companies and power plans are expected to oppose any efforts to make deeper cuts than the ones they have faced already.

Republicans’ gains in the midterm elections will stiffen congressional opposition to emissions targets, but lawmakers may not be in a position to block them, because the administration already has developed much of the needed regulatory structure, the U.S. official said.

But Republicans protested the agreement announced by the White House, saying it would impose heavy costs on the nation’s coal industry.

“Our economy can’t take the president’s ideological war on coal that will increase the squeeze on middle-class families and struggling miners,” said Sen. Mitch McConnell (R., Ky.), who is expected to become the Senate’s majority leader. “This unrealistic plan, that the president would dump on his successor, would ensure higher utility rates and far fewer jobs.”

A key Democrat, Sen. Robert Menendez of New Jersey, who will be relinquishing his Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairmanship to the GOP next year, called the emissions agreement a “bold announcement” that would help eliminate long-standing resistance to controls by China as a reason for policy makers in Washington to delay U.S. action.

”China and the U.S. are acting in tandem to reduce emissions, drive down clean energy costs even further, and protect us from even more severe climate impacts,” Mr. Menendez said. “I applaud this announcement and will work to make sure both countries meet their commitments.”

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Some had been pressing China, which is still seeking rapid industrial growth, to commit to reducing emissions starting in 2025, or five years earlier, according to Elliot Diringer, executive vice president at the Center for Climate and Energy Solutions, a nonpartisan think tank.

China’s planned peak in carbon dioxide output will still result in emissions “a lot lower than they would be,” a second U.S. official said.

“In the case of China, they’re looking at how they can fit this in the full suite of strategic objectives: how they can best advance carbon reduction while also maintain prosperity and energy security and reducing air pollution,” Mr. Diringer said.

For China, the goal of emissions reductions came into sharp focus during this week’s Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Beijing. Government offices and schools were closed, factories idled and cars placed on even-odd license plate rules to cut pollution, offering clear views of the sky.

As had been expected, a significant portion of the proposed American and Chinese emissions cuts has been delayed for many years. Such a design makes the plans easier to swallow economically and politically in the short term, but could increase pressure to waver from the path at a later date.

China’s pledge will become part of its domestic law, the first U.S. official said.

International negotiators are looking to codify countries’ commitments in a framework that discourages officials from changing course in the future.

While Democrats praised Mr. Obama’s move, Republicans were quick to criticize him for using the Environmental Protection Agency to set policy without congressional input and pushing the U.S. toward international commitments without a Senate-approved treaty.
Right wing media in Australia

1. Australia shouldn't have a carbon tax or emissions trading scheme because no one else does it.

Except India, EU and China etc

2. Well China is going to scrap it.

Except earlier in the year they announced an expansion of carbon trading.

3. But the US and China aren't making firm commitments blah blah blah.

You were saying?
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“Our economy can’t take the president’s ideological war on coal that will increase the squeeze on middle-class families and struggling miners,” said Sen. Mitch McConnell (R., Ky.), who is expected to become the Senate’s majority leader. “This unrealistic plan, that the president would dump on his successor, would ensure higher utility rates and far fewer jobs.”
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My only concern is if China is really making real concessions. They didn't actually agree to cut emissions, only allow them to peak by 2030 right?
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That would still work per capita. The rule of thumb I've seen used at decc is 2ton/person/year
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Lord MJ wrote:My only concern is if China is really making real concessions. They didn't actually agree to cut emissions, only allow them to peak by 2030 right?
Generally developed nations have more carbon emissions in total (over the years) and that's been China's argument for a while. Its only fair they do more to combat the problem of climate change.

In any eventChina's coal use has fallen in 2014 for the first time this century so this gives me confidence that the reason they are making such a deal is because they are already reining in the problem.

Part of that their success in decreasing coal use is due to the fact they closed 77 GW of capacity from older inefficient coal plants from 2002 to 2013 (even adding lots more capacity in the form of nuclear, renewables and more efficient coal plants). Linky.

At the present time China already
a. Number one in wind power capacity and number two in wind power production (ie their wind companies are setting up turbines faster than their power companies can connect it to the grid)

b. Dominates hydropower

c. Pretty much are constructing 27 new nuclear reactors. To give you an idea the whole world is constructing 70 in total.

All this makes me pretty optimistic especially since there isn't much domestic opposition to renewables in China, and nukes are still being build despite some opposition.
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