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salm wrote:Lol, this is gold. Apparently the Turkish vice president said that the comedian in question is guilty of crimes against humanity because he insulted all 78 million Turks.
Well, Turks are people. Insulting them is really much worse than genociding humanely relocating vermin Armenians to mass graves new settlements in the desert.
There has probably been a Turk somewhere that has raped a donkey.
According to the vice president Erdogan is "all Turks".
Therefore Erdogan is a donkey fucker.
Hence, the vice minister has committed a crime against humanity by stating that all Turks are donkey fuckers.
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salm wrote:
Flagg wrote:
salm wrote:Lol, this is gold. Apparently the Turkish vice president said that the comedian in question is guilty of crimes against humanity because he insulted all 78 million Turks.
Well, Turks are people. Insulting them is really much worse than genociding humanely relocating vermin Armenians to mass graves new settlements in the desert.
There has probably been a Turk somewhere that has raped a donkey.
According to the vice president Erdogan is "all Turks".
Therefore Erdogan is a donkey fucker.
Hence, the vice minister has committed a crime against humanity by stating that all Turks are donkey fuckers.
So Erdogan has a duck with a chicken stuffed up its ass stuck up his ass?
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I guess German comedy is an aquired taste. I don't get it either sometimes :P
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Erdogan is "all Turks"? Smells of Louis XIV "I am the state". Which was followed by guillotines, but Erdy don't learn no history dat ain't what he thinks is true history, as already established ITT.
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Flagg wrote:
salm wrote:There has probably been a Turk somewhere that has raped a donkey.
According to the vice president Erdogan is "all Turks".
Therefore Erdogan is a donkey fucker.
Hence, the vice minister has committed a crime against humanity by stating that all Turks are donkey fuckers.
So Erdogan has a duck with a chicken stuffed up its ass stuck up his ass?
He said donkey fucker, not turducken fucker
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Merkel allows inquiry into comic's Erdogan insult wrote:The German government has approved a criminal inquiry into a comic who mocked the Turkish president, Chancellor Angel Merkel announced.

By law, the government must approve any use of an article of the criminal code on insulting foreign leaders.

Mrs Merkel stressed that the courts would have the final word.

And she added that her government would move to repeal the article. Turkey sought the prosecution after President Recep Tayyip Erdogan was mocked.

Prosecutors will have to decide whether to proceed against comedian Jan Boehmermann, who crudely mocked Mr Erdogan in a poem. If convicted he could face a fine or a prison sentence.

Some experts say he has a strong defence because his poem could be seen as part of a wider piece of satire about free speech, rather than a deliberate insult, the BBC's Damien McGuinness reports from Berlin.

An earlier remark by Mrs Merkel that the poem was "deliberately offensive" laid her open to accusations that she was not standing up for free speech because Europe needed Turkey to help solve the migrant crisis.

Mrs Merkel said the government would seek to repeal Paragraph 103 in the penal code, concerning insults against foreign heads of state.

She said her government was divided over whether Boehmermann should face prosecution. The comedian was given police protection this week.

The poem was broadcast by ZDF television two weeks ago. The public TV channel has decided not to broadcast his weekly satire programme this week because of the furore surrounding Boehmermann.


A rarely used article of the criminal code


Paragraph 103 of Germany's penal code, on defamation of organs and representatives of foreign states, has the following to say:

(1) Whosoever insults a foreign head of state, or, with respect to his position, a member of a foreign government who is in Germany in his official capacity, or a head of a foreign diplomatic mission who is accredited in the Federal territory shall be liable to imprisonment not exceeding three years or a fine, in case of a slanderous insult to imprisonment from three months to five years.

Mrs Merkel said Paragraph 103 was "expendable" so her government would seek to get it repealed by 2018.

Before announcing that Boehmermann could be prosecuted she stressed that her government expected Turkey to comply with EU democratic norms in the areas of free speech and judicial independence.

"In a state under the rule of law, it is not a matter for the government but rather for state prosecutors and courts to weigh personal rights issues and other concerns affecting press and artistic freedom," she said.

"The presumption of innocence applies," she stressed, explaining that she was not making any prejudgement about Boehmermann.

Mr Erdogan has drawn much criticism in Turkey and internationally for attacking opponents, including harassment of journalists. Many accuse him of authoritarian methods, stifling legitimate dissent and promoting an Islamist agenda.

Some Germans worry that Mrs Merkel is compromising on freedom of expression in order to ensure Turkey's continued co-operation to stem the influx of migrants into the EU.

Thomas Oppermann, head of the Social Democrat (SPD) group in the German parliament, tweeted: "Prosecution of satire due to 'lese majesty' does not fit with modern democracy."
Hopefully, this will get thrown out or stalled until they can repeal the paragraph in question.
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I understand the tactics behind it but it is another decision where Merkel decided to allow some barbarian influence on how our justice system operates. If all goes well, our judges will laugh at Erdogan and everything will be fine. But it should never have been allowed to come to this.
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Just heard this on the radio. Apparently half the reason the guy did the song was to object to the 'can't insult foreign heads of state' law.

It's easy to say this is just to keep the Turks on board immigration wise. But since it is a law well, not sure how she could say No.
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Crazedwraith wrote:Just heard this on the radio. Apparently half the reason the guy did the song was to object to the 'can't insult foreign heads of state' law.

It's easy to say this is just to keep the Turks on board immigration wise. But since it is a law well, not sure how she could say No.

it is one of those laws where you only get prosecuted if the government decides it is in their interest to do so. So she would have perfectly been able to say No, given that it is in her discretion.
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It's disgusting it already came this far. Merkel is being Erdogan's bitch by allowing to open Pandora's box like that. It's a human right to offend. Simply absurd to make it illegal when the offended person is a despot from another country.
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I would disagree with both of you. Merkel made a blunder when she invited every north African under the sun to come to Europe expecting all of Europe would just welcome them with open arms. Now maybe that wasn't the intention. But intentions don't matter. And fact is that this is how it was seen by everyone, migrant and European alike provoking a newer ending tide of people coming our way. Erdogan has now used this blunder to pull off a master stroke of genius by putting turkey in the position of a dam in front of that tide. Thus he has made his government, and by extension him self indispensable. Of course Merkel is going to do everything in her power to appease him. It is a perfectly logical thing to do.
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As I understand it this is an archaic law and it could give her time to get it removed if the court decides to take the case that is.
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Thanas wrote:
Crazedwraith wrote:Just heard this on the radio. Apparently half the reason the guy did the song was to object to the 'can't insult foreign heads of state' law.

It's easy to say this is just to keep the Turks on board immigration wise. But since it is a law well, not sure how she could say No.

it is one of those laws where you only get prosecuted if the government decides it is in their interest to do so. So she would have perfectly been able to say No, given that it is in her discretion.
It's a stupid law that should be repealed retroactively. Unless they start arresting every single motherfucker that insulted Dubya for his creepy massage and Obama for drones.
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