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This is not outright military alliance, but a logistics sharing agreement. The US I think has such agreements with major allies and other friendly countries around the world. This is something new for India which has been mostly nonaligned during the history of the republic of India. Even at the height of the Cold War when India was closer to Russia, there was never any thought of allowing Russia to access Indian bases.

The US and India look to be moving closer in military cooperation. This agreement when finalized would allow the US to streamline export of military hardware and technology cooperation with India and the US military would potentially have access to new bases and ports. Also the Indian military would have access to US bases and ports. Who know where this may lead in the long term.

The Bush and Obama administrations have been pushing hard to make closer ties economic and military with India for the last decade. India has since 2014 a new administration which is very eager to reciprocate.


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India and the United States have agreed in principle to share military logistics, the countries' defense ministers said on Tuesday, as both sides seek to counter the growing maritime assertiveness of China.

Washington has for years urged New Delhi to sign a Logistics Support Agreement that allows the two militaries to use each other's land, air and naval bases for resupplies, repair and rest.

India has had concerns that a logistics agreement would commit it to hosting U.S. troops at its bases, or draw it into a military alliance with the United States and undermine its traditional autonomy.

But after years of delays, the two sides said an agreement was in hand, although not yet ready for signing.

"We have agreed in principle that all the issues are resolved," U.S. Defense Secretary Ashton Carter told reporters in New Delhi after talks with his Indian counterpart, Manohar Parrikar.

The two sides would finalize the text of an agreement in coming weeks, Carter said.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi's administration, faced with an assertive China expanding its influence in the South China Sea and into the Indian Ocean, has signaled its desire to draw closer to the United States. China is also a close ally of India's arch rival, Pakistan.

Modi is also keen to access U.S. technology for his "Make in India" plans to build a domestic industrial base and cut expensive arms imports.

The U.S. military has made clear it wants to do more with India, especially in countering China. Carter is on his second visit to India in less than a year, aimed at cementing defense cooperation in the final months of Barack Obama's presidency.

Washington's desire for deeper security cooperation with India has been tricky without the signing of the logistics agreement, as well as two other pacts that would allow for secure communications and the exchange of nautical and other data. The agreements are considered routine between the United States and its other defense partners.

Reaching the logistics agreement would make it easier to conclude the other two pacts, a senior U.S. defense official said.

"There's increasing recognition on the Indian side that there's real mutual benefits to doing them, so I do think that the prospects are good," the official said, on condition of anonymity.

Carter said the two countries would also soon conclude an agreement on exchanging information on commercial shipping.

COLLABORATION ON CARRIER

He said the two countries were also advancing collaboration in aircraft carrier design and technology, potentially the biggest joint project since they launched a Defense Technology and Trade Initiative (DTTI) in 2012.

India, which operates a re-tooled Russian-built carrier, plans to build its biggest indigenous carrier, for which is it looking at U.S. technology to launch heavier aircraft.

"We have decided to take forward discussions under DTTI more aggressively on key areas such as jet engine technology. We will also continue our very useful and productive discussions on cooperation ... on aircraft carriers," Parrikar said.

India is concerned about China's growing presence in the Indian Ocean, traditionally New Delhi's backyard, and it said on Tuesday that it had agreed with the United States to launch discussions between the countries' two navies on anti-submarine warfare and submarine safety.

(Writing by Sanjeev Miglani; Editing by Nick Macfie)


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The US had logistics agreements even with Russia to pull troops out of Afghanistan for example.

No big deal.

Also, I sincerely hope the US and its "allies"-slash-pawns lose all their gambles, their geopolitical great-gamey plans fail and they never succeed in any endeavour.
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I'm not really sure how this is particularly newsworthy. It's interesting in that it's new, but apart from that, it doesn't seem to be any kind of particularly unusual diplomacy.

The primary thing I can think of that might be noteworthy coming out of this is that as the US also has a considerable degree of military influence with Pakistan, they might try to use being invested in both countries to influence them in their diplomatic relations with each other...
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Alternatively, the US may be concerned that it is losing control of (or has already lost control of) Pakistan, and wishes to establish closer ties with India. Because if there is ever a need (or perceived 'need') to limit or weaken Pakistan, having the support of India would be invaluable.
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The other possibility is a move to counter China. I mean China is doing deals with countries which India considers its sphere of influence, eg Sri Lanka, Nepal so they would be receptive to the US coming in to counter Chinese influence. Geopolitics, its a dirty game but damn interesting.
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K. A. Pital wrote:The US had logistics agreements even with Russia to pull troops out of Afghanistan for example.

No big deal.
US deal with Russia was was for select transit of only construction material, fuel and certain non ordnance supplies. Ass nothing was shared and basically everything the US ever shipped that way was civilian in nature. The US paid to airlift armored vehicles in and out of the country because they could not go by Russia and the Pakistani freight railway system hasn't operated a decade.

With this agreement, assuming it becomes hard fact and not provisional, the US and Indian navies will actually draw on common pools of supplies and fuel, including engine repair parts for Indian navy ships and planes that include major end items like actual replacement engines. Open use of ports meanwhile means they exist on a planning basis without prior permission, that's strategically huge for the US navy which has no major base on the entire Indian Ocean basin, Bahrain is hemmed in, small and unstable, Singapore just recently granted full time access but with simply limited facilities.

That's all a big shift for India which has no such open ended agreements with Russia or anyone else. The US does have agreements like this with NATO states, Japan and a few others but it's a much bigger deal then simply selling weapons. How much it means in terms of the US joining up with India against China, I dunno but India already expects the Chinese navy to operate against it in the Indian ocean.
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I certainly hope this agreement goes through.

One good thing the new Prime Minister has done has been to start to move away from importing military equipment and towards gradually setting up a domestic military industrial complex by encouraging local manufacturers to get involved in the defense industry as well as throwing open the doors to global defense companies to invest in India. Though it may be a decade or more for it to bear fruition.

The US has in recent years done things like push for a waiver for India with the NSG even though we didn't sign the NPT. Additionally US is pushing hard to sell us their defense equipment. I ain't complaining.

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Given that India is mostly armed with Soviet hardware, a common supply system especially in spare parts, with any NATO nation including the US, isn't gonna work very well unless India is ready to overhaul most of its military tech base.

I can't see much coming from this agreement. Except the intelligence sharing, but such agreements happen to exist even among some rather antagonistic nations of the world.
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