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Shroom Man 777 wrote:My approach isn't everyone's cup of tea. And I was being difficult to deal with too. And nobody is having it easy here anyway.
Yeah, but you were being genuinely emotional and sharing how you feel about what's going on, and what has been going on as long as you remember. You didn't deserve some shitlord vendettapath digging into his adult diaper and flinging shit at you for it.
And meanwhile you're taking advantage of his misery - while ignoring the actual issue that Duterte is just a small part of a much bigger problem - just to make yourself feel bigger.

What you call "vendettapath" is me simply refusing to pander to easy "outs". Cheering on people who want Duterte gone is not going to make him vanish. And it certainly won't make the problems that resulted in his election vanish either. That you then threaten me with physical violence only goes to demonstrate your own feelings of powerlessness and how it's translated into impotent rage rather than any real roadmap for change.

In short, stop being the American brat barging into a discussion that you have very little knowledge about just to make yourself feel big. Or better yet, get off your lazy high horse and fix your own damn country first instead of sublimating your frustrations out on me. You're in much deeper shit than we are and clearly don't even know it yet.
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Zinegata and I talked. He didn't do any vendettopathing, he just had no idea where I was coming from and so I told him, within the PM, of things that were not-that-specific but at least clear enough to show him where I was coming from. But nothing that I was uncomfortable with in disclosing.

I thought that he touched a sore spot - he didn't, he wasn't, and didn't mean to and had no idea what was happening - and in this thread I poorly communicated it precisely because I am now no longer comfortable with publicly stating specific informations regarding my persons. And I was in a meltdown (that Zinegata now gets, in lieu of the information I stated to him).

By explaining the subject to him "in person" we talked about specific national/regionalistic/local/ethnic issues, something hard to get from as a non-Filipino and something even Filipinos struggle with for years. And because it is a subject that kind of hurts me, that is why I was seeing/perceiving things in his post that were not so, why I was reacting to things (this shows the profoundness of the longstanding issue AND of current issues) that were not there. I was doing a lot of projection - maybe in a way I was arguing with myself and dealing with inner issues instead of what Zinegata was actually saying. And Zinegata could not respond at the time because he had no fucking idea what was what until I explained it to him privately (yes my explanation is now going on in circles).

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Rappler wrote:IMPUNITY
MURDER AS MEME
Welcome to Manila, where torture is a joke, and murder is a hashtag.
TEXT BY PATRICIA EVANGELISTA
PHOTOS BY CARLO GABUCO

The policeman was sure there was at least one body – the naked curve of the back and the denim waistband showed just under the black garbage bag fluttering in the breeze. What might have been another body was curled on the sidewalk, fully swaddled in black plastic. The head was bound tight with a crosshatch of packing tape – what looked, from afar, like a head in a goalie's helmet.

They had been tossed along Calle Estacion in Pio del Pilar, Makati at dawn on Thursday, December 1. There were no CCTV cameras. What light was available came from the streetlights planted along the Arnaiz Skyaway, curving three stories above the two-lane road.

It was a little girl who first brought word. “A certain Mary Jane” had been asleep in the grass when the gunshots rang out at past one in the morning. She ran straight to a nearby village hall. The cops came running, through the pile of black bags spilling into the sidewalk. It might have been a bomb. They called for Makati’s Explosive Ordnance Dispersal team. The EOD came. They said there were bodies and were told they were bodies.

The first responders drew chalk circles around the bullet casings scattered on the street. A sheet of paper had been left under the first body. It was maybe twenty minutes before a photographer flipped over a frame and zoomed into the inch-high letters.

Nagmahal

Nasaktan

Nagtulak

Namatay



#Nagmahal

There was a collective gasp among the gathered press. One reporter began laughing. Someone shot a frame from another angle, and saw the hashtags scrawled before every word.

#FellinLove

#WasHeartbroken

#DealtDrugs

#WasKilled

It was a grim parody of an internet meme on moving on from a relationship, one popular among the millennial set.

Fill in the blanks. Fell in love, was heartbroken, got drunk. Fell in love, was heartbroken, went to class. Fell in love, was heartbroken, got high, got pretty, got laid, took a nap, climbed a mountain, ate a burger, took a selfie – moved on.

The investigators arrived, marked the chalk circles with numbers one through ten. Eventually a cop lifted the paper sign. A corner had been dipped in blood.



#Nasaktan

The investigators cut through the plastic bags, struggling through the stretched tape. The second man went first, the bag torn open to show the bound legs in the khaki shorts, the grimy soles, the bloodstains on the gray shirt. He was short, 5'2 and scrawny, hollow-cheeked. The men from the morgue lifted him onto a stretcher and covered the body with a faded flowered sheet. There was barely any blood on the sidewalk, just a thin smear about a foot wide.

The second man was bigger. “A little chubby,” said Police Senior Inspector Valmark Funelas. The man measured 5'9. His head, once freed from the haphazard pile of black plastic, had been wrapped in packing tape. The investigator ran a cutter under his chin. The eyes were closed, but his mouth was wide open, lips folded inward over the teeth in what looked to be a futile attempt to breathe. They found more of the garbage bags down his throat. They pulled it out, uncoiling the long plastic rope out of the dead man's mouth.

There was a second sign taped over the body of the skinnier man.

#Nagmahal

#Nagbasag-kotse

#Nagtulak

#Namatay

He may have been a suspected carnapper, said the police chief. They had spoken to village watchmen in the area, nobody knew who the men were, or if they were residents of Pio del Pilar or the neighboring San Isidro. The two cases are now under investigation.

#FellinLove

#BrokeIntoCar

#DealtDrugs

#WasKilled

The initial investigation is inconclusive as to where the executions may have taken place.

“They were dumped here,” said Funelas, “but it isn’t certain if they were already dead. The term the police use is ‘finishing’ because there were slugs found there, there were empty shells. There were still gunshots.”

It is not the first case of dead bodies tossed along Calle Estacion. Funelas remembers one more incident. He is uncertain as to the date, but says it is within the last five months of the administration of Rodrigo Duterte.



#Nagtulak

At least three more men were summarily executed in Metro Manila in the hours before dawn on December 1. In Village 21 in Caloocan, a man was found curled on the sidewalk, hands bound behind his back, the plastic wrapped head resting in a pool of blood. In Payatas-B in Quezon City, a village watchman, allegedly a police drug informant, was shot in plain view just down the street from a wake. His wife fell weeping over his body just before they pulled the zipper on his body bag.

In Caloocan City, according to , a body was found along Letre Road in Village 8. His , a sheet of brown cardboard, was found just beside his body, just as 15,000 protesters held up placards painted with witticisms at the People Power Monument.

#Sorry# ☺

Wag akong tularan

“Pusher” ako,

Snatcher ako

“Sorry" ☺ sa mga nabiktima ko

Bawi na kayo

Bayad na ko

Happy faces punctuated the sentences. Sorry, it said, do not be like me. I am a drug dealer. I am a snatcher. Sorry to the people I have victimized. We’re even now. I have paid my debt.

The man’s head was wrapped in dark plastic, and striped with packing tape. Another note was scrawled down the side of the sign, in smaller letters.

Kaibigan, Pot 2x at Luloy, magkikita na tayo. Nainggit ako sa inyo. ☺ Hehehe

Friends Pot Pot and Luloy, it said, I’ll be seeing you. I was jealous of you guys. Hehehe.




#Namatay

The first reported summary execution in this fashion – the head wrapped in tape – was in early July, just under the MacArthur Bridge. The cardboard sign called the dead man a dealer. In the months since, there have been at least 3,841 extrajudicial killings, outside of the over two thousand killed in police operations. Many of those murdered by unknown assailants were found with cardboard signs propped beside their bodies, calling them addicts, pushers, dealers.

In recent weeks, the range of accusations has gone beyond drug involvement – snatcher, housebreaker, carnapper. There are jokes, attempted witticisms, the occasional scribbled drawing. Manila is where murder has been reduced to a meme.

On November 16, two weeks before killers took it upon themselves to apologize on behalf of a man they killed, a body was found face down along Chapel Road in Pasay City. The particulars were the same: the head wrapped in yellow tape, the hands bound together, the letters printed with a black marking pen accusing him of dealing drugs.

I am a drug pusher, it said, do not become me.

Then the cops turned the body over. It was when the increasingly commonplace shot straight into the stuff of parody.

Someone had taken the same marking pen used to write on the cardboard sign, and had drawn eyes, a nose, and a grinning mouth over the wrapped face of the dead man. – Rappler.com
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He's lost it. Like holy fucking hell.
GMA News wrote:'HUWAG KA NANG MAGTANONG'
Duterte: I don't need to explain why I kept CIDG-8 chief Marcos
Published December 5, 2016 8:46pm
By TRSIHA MACAS, GMA News

President Rodrigo Duterte on Monday said that he did not have to explain why he ordered Philippine National Police (PNP) chief Dir. Gen. Ronald “Bato” Dela Rosa to reinstate Supt. Marvin Marcos as the head of Criminal Investigation and Detection Group (CIDG) in the Eastern Visayas even after suspected drug lord Kerwin Espinosa linked him to the narcotics trade.

“As the head of government and as the Chief Executive, the police is under me. So the PNP chief is under my supervision and control," Duterte said during a speech delivered ahead of the lighting of Malacañang Christmas tree on Monday.

"I do not have to explain to you, the whole Republic of the Philippines and the critics, why I made the order for him just to sit down and do not remove him,” he added.

"My purpose? Huwag ka nang magtanong. [Just don't ask/make questions] Protocol? We are government employees. What do you mean by protocol? I ordered the transfer or retention, you ask me about protocol?" Duterte said.

"There is no such thing as protocol. When there is absolute supervision and control, I can modify, and mend, revoke any order in this Executive Department,” he added.


Duterte said that he told Dela Rosa to hold his order to remove Marcos as the CIDG Region 8’s chief because he wanted to further check something about the allegations against the officer.

On Friday, he revealed that Marcos was really linked to drugs.

Marcos was eventually removed from his post after figuring in the alleged shootout that killed Albuera, Leyte Mayor Rolando Espinosa inside a sub-provinicial jail.

"Eh ngayon, ang lumalabas, well, ako ang number one tuloy. They are questioning my motive. I knew before—they are now assuming that maybe I knew about the operation. Then now ang bago nila, ako ang nag-utos sa loob. Whatever the reason be, that’s my discretion,” the President said.

Duterte also called out critics who described Espinosa's death as an extrajudicial killing, stressing that he believed the police's version of a shootout.

"Gusto ko mag-prangka sa inyo. Iyong mayor na who was served a warrant and there was a shootout. Some say extrajudicial killing. Talagang pinatay daw. Look, may mga criticisms sa akin, I accept it," Duterte said.

"That’s part of the territory of being a President. But do not force me, criticize me to force me to believe iyong mga theory at mga assumption na even with the witnesses na pinatay iyong mayor sa loob ng prisuhan," he added.

"Sabi ng police, pag-serve nila ng warrant, lumaban at binaril nila. Tama. And I believe you because the police is under the Executive branch of the government. Akin," Duterte said.

He also reminded the police of his standing order to hunt criminals, arrest them if possible, and kill them if they show violence and endanger officers' lives.

"Just obey iyong order ko na look for them and hunt for them. Sundin lang ninyo and ako ang lahat mananagot. I will answer for it personally. Walang washing of hands. Akin iyon," Duterte said. —NB/JST, GMA News

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So yeah, that's... impressively blatant. "Don't ask questions, I have absolute power."
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Apparently he was saying this while lighting the presidential palace's Christmas tree.

The dellow felegates are applauding and people are becoming Kylos in their devoted daddy issues to this asshat.
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Well that certainly didn't cause a chill up my spine. Sorry about your country, man.
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Holy shit that's scary.
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The person [ Criminal Investigation and Detection Group official] Duterte reinstated went on to send his goons to execute a jailed suspect drug lord (and mayor). To further explain.
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:The person [ Criminal Investigation and Detection Group official] Duterte reinstated went on to send his goons to execute a jailed suspect drug lord (and mayor). To further explain.
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Actually yes for years the grapevine's that Duterte's sons are actually big honchos when it comes to smuggling and other illegal shit down in their corner of the country and his sons - who are macho hunks ladies all over are crushing on in social media - are high on their own supply and totally Tony Montana-ing.
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Congress just approved the death penalty.
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:Congress just approved the death penalty.
Now it's not extra-judicial! And we all live happily ever after! No one is pissing their pants and Pee Pee Pants City is renamed I-Love-Lucille-Ton!
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:Congress just approved the death penalty.
http://www.rappler.com/nation/154779-ho ... th-penalty

Actually it's just the justice committee drafting the death penalty law. Which is a really low bar to jump over given these committees are basically tasked with reviewing drafts of proposed laws, rather than "approving" anything.

The actual vote in Congress has yet to be held, and there's no guarantee it will pass. And even then, enough Senators are currently opposing the bill to kill it in the Senate. Opposing the Death penalty was in fact one of the few issues that the past administrations all broadly agreed with.
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I see. I figured that it would have to go to the Senate. But I didn't make the distinction between the Congress' committee and the Congress itself.

I'm presuming that the entirety of Congress has become a bunch of dellow felegates and are entirely unreliable.

I wonder if the Senate still has a remaining spine. I hope you're right, I hope enough Senators are enough.
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Shroom Man 777 wrote:I see. I figured that it would have to go to the Senate. But I didn't make the distinction between the Congress' committee and the Congress itself.

I'm presuming that the entirety of Congress has become a bunch of dellow felegates and are entirely unreliable.

I wonder if the Senate still has a remaining spine. I hope you're right, I hope enough Senators are enough.
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The Senate is also much less spineless than the traditional media is making it out to be. Gordon for instance didn't exactly junk all EJK investigations - rather they were junking the testimony Motabato - who proved to be less than credible. De Lima legitimately screwed up in bringing him to the Senate without first fact-checking all of his stories.
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God I hope you're right. I mean, Erap was able to reinstate death penalty for a while...

I wonder how reinstating death penalty would poll in the public...
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