Trump passes executive order restricting immigration, in violation of the Constitution.

[Flagg]

Which sucks giant wet donkey balls for anyone who's actually sincere about bothering to remember that people other than Jews were targeted by the Final Solution and just wants to talk about it without listing every single persecuted group by name.

Or, you know, you could say "the six million Jews and also six million other people besides them".

And they still jump down your throat like you showed up to a Brix in an SS uniform. Any mention of any non-Jew gassed trivializes that Jews were targeted and killed and if you say any differently then you are part of the problem!

[Flagg]

"Did IQs just drop sharply while I was away?"

Well yeah, you're here.

[Shroom Man 777]

Does he have business dealings in the KSA like he does in the UAE?

The way Sheppard is showing it I'm not sure it matters as it appears none of the countries he has done or is doing business with are on State and DHS lists for this. Either he threaded the needle nicely, just legitimately used the Intl Terrorism List and such, or Congress needs to just do stuff.

Well Trump or no Trump the US does stupidly and unfairly favor the KSA...

[Simon_Jester]

Does he have business dealings in the KSA like he does in the UAE?

The way Sheppard is showing it I'm not sure it matters as it appears none of the countries he has done or is doing business with are on State and DHS lists for this. Either he threaded the needle nicely, just legitimately used the Intl Terrorism List and such, or Congress needs to just do stuff.

I think it's more a case that Trump didn't historically do business in countries on an international terrorism watchlist.

The problem is that the list of countries on the watchlist, and the list of countries terrorists actually come into the US from, are not aligned. In large part because of rich fucks (like Trump, though not necessarily Trump personally) stopping us from actually imposing meaningful sanctions on the countries they do business with, even when those countries are caught red-handed supporting international terrorism.

So don't expect to see Saudi Arabia added to the list of countries that we don't admit visitors from any time soon, even if the 9/11 attacks were repeated exactly with 3/4 of the terrorists coming from Saudi Arabia again. Because that would cost a lot of money for a lot of rich fucks, including Conflictofinterestolini, our MAXIMUM LEADER.

[Flagg]

Saudi Arabia is responsible (along with Iran, their mortal enemies) for waging a proxy war in Iraq, funding Sunni militias who go and kill Shiites whose militias (funded by Iran) do the same to Sunnis. So while the US, whose leaders are known to hold hands with Saudi royalty, doesn't list Saudi Arabia as an "exporter of terrorism", the fact is that they, you know, do.

Now is time for Shep to post graphs with no relation to the subject, but no one will say anything.

[Flagg]

Does he have business dealings in the KSA like he does in the UAE?

The way Sheppard is showing it I'm not sure it matters as it appears none of the countries he has done or is doing business with are on State and DHS lists for this. Either he threaded the needle nicely, just legitimately used the Intl Terrorism List and such, or Congress needs to just do stuff.

I think it's more a case that Trump didn't historically do business in countries on an international terrorism watchlist.

The problem is that the list of countries on the watchlist, and the list of countries terrorists actually come into the US from, are not aligned. In large part because of rich fucks (like Trump, though not necessarily Trump personally) stopping us from actually imposing meaningful sanctions on the countries they do business with, even when those countries are caught red-handed supporting international terrorism.

So don't expect to see Saudi Arabia added to the list of countries that we don't admit visitors from any time soon, even if the 9/11 attacks were repeated exactly with 3/4 of the terrorists coming from Saudi Arabia again. Because that would cost a lot of money for a lot of rich fucks, including Conflictofinterestolini, our MAXIMUM LEADER.

You shall go to Valhalla shiny and chrome, or to a set disguised as a boardroom to be told "You're fired" by a creature who will simultaneously ejaculate into its pants (like when it beats off to pictures of its daughter) who is the only thing in the wasteland more foul than Immortan Joe.

MEDIOCRE!!!

[Broomstick]

Which sucks giant wet donkey balls for anyone who's actually sincere about bothering to remember that people other than Jews were targeted by the Final Solution and just wants to talk about it without listing every single persecuted group by name.

Or, you know, you could say "the six million Jews and also six million other people besides them".

And they still jump down your throat like you showed up to a Brix in an SS uniform. Any mention of any non-Jew gassed trivializes that Jews were targeted and killed and if you say any differently then you are part of the problem!

Then they're full of shit. There are Jewish assholes just like there are Christian/Muslim/Atheist/Whatever assholes.

Of course, being half-Jewish and having had relatives killed in the holocaust probably gives me some credibility/armor the average person doesn't have.

[ArmorPierce]

Do you think the Democrats have the stamina to block a Supreme Court Justice nomination for years on end?

I do. But they can't stop the Grabbers Of Pussies from a majority vote removing the ability to filibuster SCOTUS or other judicial nominations.

Anyone want to place bets on whether federal officials ignore his order to proceed because they don't want to violate the court order?

No. They'll obey it and the minority that don't will be fired or even arrested.

Either of these events will trigger what is known in political science as a "constitutional crisis." That is to say, an argument within the government over whether the procedure the government is following is in fact legitimate.

If I'm a federal employee and the president orders me to ignore a court order, do I obey?


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So I would not predict on such drastic steps happening so quickly, or if they do happen, I predict that they will result in chaos and disarray throughout the enforcement arm of the government, not in some kind of crackdown that summarily crushes all the dissenters.

GDoes Trump firing acting Attorney General Yates for refusing to enforce the executive order constitute a constitutional crisis?

[Simon_Jester]

Yates didn't refuse to enforce the order- it's not her order to enforce. She was the acting Attorney General- she runs the government's legal department, not its immigrations office. She refused to organize a legal defense of the order.

Now, Trump also replaced the acting head of La Migra the ICE with a different one, for similar reasons. It's just that that was a different person, not Sally Yates in particular.

Whether or not this constitutes a constitutional crisis... honestly I'm going to go with "no," because these are acting appointees. Their tenure in office was always supposed to be a limited one. And it is normal practice for senior government officials in political-appointee positions to resign rather than carry out orders they disagree with, so firing a person who is in that position purely on a "temp" basis is hardly beyond the normal boundaries.

What could present a constitutional crisis here is if Trump simply decides not to appoint anyone to those positions on a permanent basis, in hopes of letting his handpicked and un-vetted candidates run the system indefinitely.

[MKSheppard]

Saudi Arabia is responsible (along with Iran, their mortal enemies) for waging a proxy war in Iraq, funding Sunni militias who go and kill Shiites whose militias (funded by Iran) do the same to Sunnis. So while the US, whose leaders are known to hold hands with Saudi royalty, doesn't list Saudi Arabia as an "exporter of terrorism", the fact is that they, you know, do.

I'm not disagreeing with you here. Saudi Arabia is a shithole state propped up by it's trillions of petrodollars and hush money to leaders around the world (I'm looking at you fucking W).

Now is time for Shep to post graphs with no relation to the subject, but no one will say anything.

Desalinization plants in Saudi Arabia. Prime targets for a strategic nuclear salvo.

[Sea Skimmer]

The Trump plan is to drain those petrodollars into America, where interest returns would be low but very reliable for the ever worsening Saudi fiscal position, that's how his golf course access road infrastructure program is supposed to be funded. Make it all Saudi debt instead of US government debt, and build everything with a 15% corporate tax rate, probably deferred 25 years.

Obviously a giant Saudi-US construction company-Trump deal could never possibly involve conflict of interest. Saudi may or may not take interest in this, Trump ensuring Maximum Fracking in the United States pretty well screws them strategically anyway.

[LadyTevar]

Ok, this one's gone off the rails. Thread Locked.