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Steve King says something evil, round 10,000.

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https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4574 ... pe-and?amp
Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) on Wednesday questioned whether there would be "any population of the world left" if not for rape and incest throughout history, The Des Moines Register reported.

King was speaking in Urbandale, Iowa, where he defended anti-abortion legislation he sponsored in Congress that did not have exceptions for rape or incest.

"What if we went back through all the family trees and just pulled out anyone who was a product of rape or incest? Would there be any population of the world left if we did that?" King told the crowd at the Westside Conservative Club. "Considering all the wars and all the rapes and pillages that happened throughout all these different nations, I know that I can't say that I was not a part of a product of that."

The Catholic lawmaker argued that the circumstances of a baby's conception does not negate their right to life.

"It's not the baby's fault for the sin of the father, or of the mother," he said.

The nine-term congressman has a history of making controversial comments.

King sparked bipartisan backlash in January for questioning during an interview with The New York Times how terms such as "white supremacist" and "white nationalist" became "offensive."

The comments were quickly denounced and House Republicans responded by removing King from his positions on the House Judiciary, Agriculture and Small Business committees.

The House also overwhelmingly passed a resolution condemning white nationalism and white supremacy by a 424-1 vote. The embattled lawmaker voted in favor of the resolution.

The lawmaker denounced white supremacist ideologies at the time and reiterated his stance on Wednesday. He also told the crowd that he supports his defense of the West, calling the United States "the flagship for Western civilization."

King claimed that political insiders told him that the controversy surrounding his comments was part of a plot to remove him from office, the Register reported.

"People think it was an organic media feeding frenzy, but no, it was orchestrated from the beginning," he said. "They had told me, heads up before Christmas, they're going to try to drive you out of office and get you to resign. Within 24 hours, you had people saying 'resign, resign, resign.' Why? Because The New York Times misquoted me?"

Democrat J.D. Scholten, who is again challenging King, said in a statement on Wednesday that the incumbent is putting "his selfish, hateful ideology above the needs of the people of Iowa's 4th district."

"Excusing violence - in any way - is entirely unacceptable. Here in Iowa, we stand strong together in the face of violence, and strive to create a welcoming and safe community for all people," Scholten said. "His comments are disrespectful to survivors and don't reflect Iowan values."

Republican Iowa state Sen. Randy Feenstra, who is also running to unseat King, said in a statement that while he is "100% pro-life," King's "bizarre comments and behavior diminish our message and damage our cause."

"We can't afford to hand the 4th District to Nancy Pelosi and her allies in Congress," he added. "President Trump needs defenders in Congress, not distractions."

Sens. Kirsten Gillibrand (N.Y.) and Cory Booker (N.J.) both called on King to resign after his latest remarks were reported.

"Every Iowa leader, regardless of party, should condemn Representative King's comments, an exercise they should all be familiar with by now, and join us in asking for his resignation," Booker's campaign said in a statement.

-This report was updated at 3:16 p.m.
Yep, there's a sitting Congressman, telling us how we should ban all abortion because we need rape and incest to keep the population (I assume he means white population) up.

Yeah, there's been a lot of rape and incest throughout history. That's not a reason to fucking condone it.

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Steve King remains the counterargument to the idea that Trump is somehow an aberration in the Republican Party.
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Gandalf wrote: 2019-08-15 08:05pm Steve King remains the counterargument to the idea that Trump is somehow an aberration in the Republican Party.
Yeah. And so does Mitch McConnel, and Lindsey Graham, and Kevin McCarthy, and Nunes, and Rand Paul, and on and on and on.

They're all behind Trump. They've all sold their souls. And they are all, or nearly all, if not openly misogynistic and white supremacist and traitors to their country, then willing to accept all of those things to hold on to whatever money and power they and their party have. Those who didn't have mostly quit the party, either retiring or switching to Democrat or Independent.

Fuck them all, every single one. I would not vote for a single living Republican.
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I think you're misreading this a little. Not much, but a little.

He's not supporting rape or incest. He even indirectly called them sins.
He's saying that all life is sacred, even that created by rape or incest.
The Catholic lawmaker argued that the circumstances of a baby's conception does not negate their right to life.

"It's not the baby's fault for the sin of the father, or of the mother," he said
For a hardcore religious person, that's actually pretty enlightened.

Not saying he's not an evil asshole or anything, just it's not as bad as '10,000'. Maybe 2000.
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Solauren wrote: 2019-08-15 08:25pm I think you're misreading this a little. Not much, but a little.

He's not supporting rape or incest. He even indirectly called them sins.
He's saying that all life is sacred, even that created by rape or incest.
The Catholic lawmaker argued that the circumstances of a baby's conception does not negate their right to life.

"It's not the baby's fault for the sin of the father, or of the mother," he said
For a hardcore religious person, that's actually pretty enlightened.

Not saying he's not an evil asshole or anything, just it's not as bad as '10,000'. Maybe 2000.
I know what his argument is- but he still chose to make that argument by basically saying "Look at all the wonderful results of rape and incest", and even going so far as to suggest that no one would be alive today without rape and incest.

To some extent that's a logical extension of the Christian belief that everything that happens is part of God's plan- every evil thing ever was ultimately toward a good end. Some may find that comforting. But it can easily be seen as condoning/excusing evil acts as ends towards some greater good. Its also a whole other level to suggest that no one alive would exist without rape and incest.

I mean, technically, from a certain point of view, he's right- good things can happen indirectly as a consequence of evil things, and if you change any moment far back enough in history, the domino effect would probably result in a completely different world with completely different people. But the former does not actually make the evil things less evil, or less painful to their victims, nor does it mean that those victims should be forced to suffer the unwanted consequences. And I'm skeptical that Steve King is smart enough (or well-read enough in Sci-Fi) to be familiar with the Butterfly Effect.
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Their position is that they value the life of potential humans more so than actual humans. Because it's far easier to think of potential humans as "good" in whatever worldview you have than dealing with real human beings with differing worldview.

A potential human being is someone you can convert and get people to your worldview. A grown adult human being is more difficult and annoying for people to deal with.
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ray245 wrote: 2019-08-16 09:11am Their position is that they value the life of potential humans more so than actual humans. Because it's far easier to think of potential humans as "good" in whatever worldview you have than dealing with real human beings with differing worldview.

A potential human being is someone you can convert and get people to your worldview. A grown adult human being is more difficult and annoying for people to deal with.
Or, more cynically, they value life only as long as it can be used as a pretext to control a woman's body.
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The Romulan Republic wrote: 2019-08-16 09:27pm Or, more cynically, they value life only as long as it can be used as a pretext to control a woman's body.
Control yes, but many of them genuinely do think they aren't controlling a women's body in a negative manner, because they really do think the potentiality of a "great" person born from an unwanted pregnancy triumphed everything else. It's not surprising given that one of the main narrative theme of Christianity was about how a child born from a unplanned pregnancy became the saviour of mankind. And this allowed them to develop a worldview in which they truly belief they are helping the world.

People generally don't view their action from a perspective in which it can be seen as being negative. You'll rarely get anti-abortionists actually saying the point of opposing abortion was to control women as their main aim. Some do believe that if controlling a women's right over their body increase the potential of a "great" person being born, it is worth all the negative consequences.
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