Voter purge USA

[madd0ct0r]

And here in the UK, not only do we manage to prevent voter fraud without demanding photo ID for the most part (mostly by tying the registration process to the local equivalent of Social Security numbers) but we manage pretty well without any kind of standard photo ID system at all.

And I happen to agree with some of those sovereign citizen types about some of their concerns, incidentally. Albeit mostly because the current US Supreme Court would be unlikely to object to making failure to present it to a police officer on demand an arrestable offence.

Indeed. At the election back in December (a typical one in method if not timing), we got send polling cards well in advance, telling us when (and where) we go to vote. You didn't need to take ID - or even the polling cards. They had a big list, sorted by name and address. You step up, give them name, they confirm the address, cross you off that list, give you a ballot card and send you off to a booth. Simple, quick, no ID required. The first time I heard about how voting is done in the States I actually laughed and couldn't believe it was that different to here.

Don't be too smug. The Tories are bringing Id requirements to the UK. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... -elections

That's 750 obviously fraudulent people stopped! (That's 750 poor people blocked).

[Eternal_Freedom]

Oh for fucks sake.

Well, fine. I'm fine with them insisting on showing ID to vote if all the MP's have to show their passports for House of Commons votes. And all the Cabinet votes. Can't have different rules for the people and the leaders after all.

[Rogue 9]

And here in the UK, not only do we manage to prevent voter fraud without demanding photo ID for the most part (mostly by tying the registration process to the local equivalent of Social Security numbers) but we manage pretty well without any kind of standard photo ID system at all.

And I happen to agree with some of those sovereign citizen types about some of their concerns, incidentally. Albeit mostly because the current US Supreme Court would be unlikely to object to making failure to present it to a police officer on demand an arrestable offence.

Indeed. At the election back in December (a typical one in method if not timing), we got send polling cards well in advance, telling us when (and where) we go to vote. You didn't need to take ID - or even the polling cards. They had a big list, sorted by name and address. You step up, give them name, they confirm the address, cross you off that list, give you a ballot card and send you off to a booth. Simple, quick, no ID required. The first time I heard about how voting is done in the States I actually laughed and couldn't believe it was that different to here.

That used to be how it was done in a lot of states and how it still is in some. Identification requirements are a relatively recent thing; my own state didn't require identification to vote until 2008.

[Aether]

Are state issued drivers licenses photo ids?
Don't passports count as photo id?

Yes, passports are photo ID's and they are the gold standard. Or at least they're supposed to be - I've occasionally encountered morons who don't even recognize a passport when they see one and don't understand it's valid ID for just about anything. But to get one you need a legal residence, birth certificate, proof of citizenship, and proof of legal name.

The birth certificate must be a certified birth certificate from the state from which one is born. It needs to have the state's seal; this, of course is time and money. The certificate one's mother was given at birth does not count.

[Xisiqomelir]

America and the UK are so weird. A national ID, fingerprinting and facial recognition is the bare minimum expected of a functional modern state.

As someone who lives in such a fascist utopia (with bonus "race" and "religion" categories listed for convenience of discrimination) I would love to see an end of "papers please" and agree with Tribble up-thread that if government insists on these fripperies they should be responsible for granting them in a rapid manner and bear the entire cost of handing them out.

[Broomstick]

The social security card was never intended to be an ID itself, it even says so the card.

They've actually taken that off the newly printed cards. If you get a replacement for an old one that's been lost it won't have that line on it.

[Broomstick]

Are state issued drivers licenses photo ids?
Don't passports count as photo id?

Yes, passports are photo ID's and they are the gold standard. Or at least they're supposed to be - I've occasionally encountered morons who don't even recognize a passport when they see one and don't understand it's valid ID for just about anything. But to get one you need a legal residence, birth certificate, proof of citizenship, and proof of legal name.

The birth certificate must be a certified birth certificate from the state from which one is born. It needs to have the state's seal; this, of course is time and money. The certificate one's mother was given at birth does not count.

You are incorrect - because in quite a few places it is NOT issued by the state. Mine, for example, is issued by the city of my birth. As I already mentioned upthread, in New York City they are (or were at one time, not sure if it is still the case) the borough of birth. In my current state of residence and in two others I have lived in they are issued by county. And yes, in some cases they are issued by the state. Even if tomorrow this was changed that would not change that prior to that point in time millions of people have birth certificates NOT issued by a state. Which, again, is a problem when the bureaucrat you're dealing with has the same misinformation you do, that in all cases it is issued by the state. They're not.

But you are correct they they must be certified copies with a raised seal.