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Meanwhile, in Afghanistan

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No light in the Afghan tunnel

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Posted: May 13, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern


© 2003 David H. Hackworth


Operation Enduring Freedom – launched in Afghanistan a month after 9-11 – is now officially over. But despite Pentagon spin to the contrary, our casualty count from that war-torn land won't be winding down anytime soon.

Last month, the increasingly bold Taliban forces took and held two district towns along the Pakistan border for a week – right under our commanders' noses – and now a day doesn't pass without terrorists assaulting Afghanis, international aid workers or soldiers. In the past month alone, four American warriors were killed in Afghanistan, bringing our occupation terrorist-inflicted combat losses to 30 deaths.

The dollar tab is mounting, too. The bill for 8,000 U.S. military personnel running what the Pentagon euphemistically calls "Stabilization Operations" is costing the U.S. taxpayer $9 billion a year.

Many of our troops pulling duty over there say their big concern is that the situation might well develop into a long-term running sore. And they see ominous similarities to the pitiful attempts at pacification that turned the Vietnamese people off during that 20-year, guerrilla-driven war.

Then there's the parallel of the same indiscriminate use of the big U.S. firepower hammer that killed hundreds of thousands of innocents in Southeast Asia. A recent U.S. airstrike in eastern Afghanistan that was meant for the terrorist bad guys killed 11 civilians from one family alone. As we keep learning the hard way, these sort of errant explosives are major recruiters for the insurgents.

In Afghanistan, as in Asia, our forces are finding that their vastly superior superpower advantage – firepower, mobility, electronic intelligence gathering and communications – can't do the job against a lightly equipped, hit-and-run guerrilla force with the cunning to attack only when it believes it can win and that knows the ground like Cameron Diaz knows her body.

More bad news is that there's ample evidence that Mullah Omar, Osama bin Laden's good buddy, is making a big comeback in southern Afghanistan. The Taliban thugs under Omar might no longer rule the land, but they're still in the terrorism business and have the run of a fair chunk of the countryside, especially along the wild and woolly border Afghanistan shares with Pakistan.

A Special Forces soldier says, "When I first got here five months ago, the attacks were patchy, but today it's a whole new ballgame."

A recent Taliban attack on a U.S. platoon actually occurred during broad daylight. The terrorists boldly killed two U.S. soldiers and wounded five others before scooting across the border to their safe haven in eastern Pakistan.

And while the Taliban are displaying renewed guerrilla prowess, our forces seem to be getting nowhere fast. Six weeks ago, a large and costly short-term exercise in futility – Operation Valiant Strike – was launched to hunt down and destroy the terrorists. At the end of this op, when cost was weighed against return, we were way in the red.

Civilian aid workers have even become targets. A Red Cross representative was shot and killed several months ago after being stopped by a terrorist gunman. A Taliban commander said the terminate-with-extreme-prejudice order came from Omar himself and was aimed at destabilizing the U.S.-supported government. Since the murder, more than a dozen international aid agencies have pulled out because the risk of operating in that area is simply too high. No aid workers means no aid – except what those friendly folks from the Taliban provide.

"What's more disturbing is that our senior commanders will not press attacks against the Taliban out of fear of U.S. casualties," says another Special Forces warrior. "Our forces are under guidance to only attack when there's the least amount of risk to U.S. personnel. For the most part, we sit on our bases and get sniped at and rocketed."

"U.S. cash and food are given to the warlords to keep their allegiance," he says, "but they use it to finance the private armies with which they run this country. And the only way the warlords will give up power is if they're killed."

"War" or "stabilization," Afghanistan is our tar baby, and we're stuck fast. Too bad the policy-makers who put our soldiers at risk didn't brush up on their Brit-Soviet-Afghan History 101 beforehand.

Let's hope Iraq doesn't become Harsh History Lesson II, even though it, too, sure seems to be moving in that direction.
Options for Afghanistan? It's been out of the spotlight for a while, but the attacks continue, the Taliban is still around, and the Coalition troops there are nowhere near close to victory. On top of that, Karzai has no power outside of Kabul, the national army can't retain it's men (warlords pay better) and is building up strength too slow, etc.

This is a worldnetdaily ed piece, of course, by that Col. Hackworth guy, but still, you can read the writing on the wall anywhere.
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Well, that much was obvious from the beginning.
Now Afghanistan has been replaced by Iraq in the main media, so why s hould anyone in the First WOrld bother too much about it?
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Yeah, well it's interesting how little we hear of these failures in Afghanistan through the mass media these days. I'm suprised Karzai is still alive even. But that's beside the point.

Just chalk another point up against the "War On Terror"
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Fremen_Muhadib wrote:Yeah, well it's interesting how little we hear of these failures in Afghanistan through the mass media these days. I'm suprised Karzai is still alive even. But that's beside the point.

Just chalk another point up against the "War On Terror"
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Yeah, well it's interesting how little we hear of these failures in Afghanistan through the mass media these days.
If you could turn Afghanistan into something like a functional state I'd had you a medal and worship you as a messiah because it'd take a miracle.

What we need to do is keep squashing the Taliban and really go after the warlords. They're the fucking idiots that keep shit like this going. Of course that won't happen.

Really, nothing short of nuking it till it glows in the dark is going to put an end to the trouble in that region.
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now i must ask, they say these hit and run attacks are perpetrated by "terrorists" if they are attacking military personell, they are not engaging in attacks of terror, rather they are engaging in guerilla warfare, or perhaps freedom fighting. IM not positivie about the proper name for such people opposing an occupying force, but fact is if they are attacking US military personell almost exculsively, as this article leads one to believe, they are not being terrorists
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NapoleonGH wrote:now i must ask, they say these hit and run attacks are perpetrated by "terrorists" if they are attacking military personell, they are not engaging in attacks of terror, rather they are engaging in guerilla warfare, or perhaps freedom fighting. IM not positivie about the proper name for such people opposing an occupying force, but fact is if they are attacking US military personell almost exculsively, as this article leads one to believe, they are not being terrorists
Absolutely right- the definition of 'terrorist' is awfully broad these days- everyone seems to do it too.
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