This clarifies my sentiments pretty well.

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Axis Kast wrote: Iraq shoots its own people you fucking moron.
Ah, so therefore that must mean that the oil-for-food distribution system is utterly useless and the entire UN staff is lying. :roll:
Thus it’s no fucking wonder that supplies were never handed out or submissions offered increasingly late.
Thus indeed. Can you say: non-sequitur? Fucking dumbass.

Supplies were *never* handed out now? I like your mighty-morphin position, fucktard.
Because of slow submission of applications? The Kurds don’t have that problem.
And why don't you compare the conditions in the north to those in the south, you stupid bitch?
And didn’t Hussein and his government claim that a humanitarian crisis entailing the deaths of millions was all but inevitable? That’s get most administrators rolling, but I guess Saddam’s were different. :roll:
500,000 children dead over a decade for a variety of causes, apparently. Including the malicious poisoning of Iraq's water by the oh-so-humanitarian sanction regime- and I might add, contaminated water is a pretty stupid thing to mix baby formula with- oh well, I guess child dysentry is somehow Iraq's fault too.

It also works off more “ifs” and “buts.” Nuances like the Kurdish diet and ignorance of the fact that it is the United Nations directly rather than Iraq that has managed humanitarian relief outside the central part of the country?
"As Anupama Singh, UNICEF representative in Baghdad, explained in 1999, "the UN's direct role in the north did not account for the widely different results in infant mortality, especially since the oil-for-food deal went into effect only in 1997."

You're just ignoring evidence you don't like, and it's quite transparent- she lays out a host of reasons for why your simplistic assessment isn't accurate.

I think she knows much more than your hero Kenny-boy, retard, and wouldn't have her point-of-view tainted to selectively cherry-pick his way through evidence like Kenny does so well.
And of course, while UNICEF argues that food distribution is “flawless,” vast percentages of aid go unopened. And I say again: for what reason would those huge percentages of aid be sitting in warehouses if millions were on the verge of collapse? It simply doesn’t add up. Iraqi logistical inability and indemic poverty reach only so far.
Oh, and how far would that be? Do detail your research into the subject, maybe you could give us the acceptable percentage :roll:
The régime is mired in corruption as is. To suggest that a periodic lack of transportation and utility shortcomings can account for 48% of supplies sitting on the loading platform.
The baby formula charge is in fact corroborated by the U.S. State Department in a paper of September 1999 entitled, “Saddam Hussein’s Iraq.” Page 3.
The same report that tried to pervert UNICEF's detailed report on sanctions in the North and South and the difference between the two for the purposes of the United States, which is unconscionable, and, incidentally, I did some digging:

Last month, Kuwaiti authorities stopped a ship containing baby powder, bottles, and other products coming from Iraq. The State Department immediately alleged that Saddam Hussein was selling products, including baby formula, bought under the Oil-for-Food program to get rich instead of using them to feed his people. It was later revealed that there was no baby formula or food of any kind on the ship, and that the ship was returning goods bought under the program because they were of substandard quality.

I did some more digging, and found you a source, that rampart of good journalism and high-brow analysis, the Economist. 8)

"As regards the shipment seized by Kuwaiti authorities, the items were
aboard a launch-sized Indian vessel called the Naurani. This seizure was
well-covered in the West, because early reports claimed baby milk powder was being shipped (though this later proved to be talcum powder). It was also later revealed (though little reported) that these items were not part of
the OFF program at all. Rather, they were purchased by a private
businessman, Tahsin Mahmud Rastam, and failed to meet Iraqi product
standards. The items were being shipped back to the United Arab Emirates
following their rejection. This was confirmed by George Somerwill, Chief of
Information of UNOCHI[5]."

[5]The Economist (Aug 21-27, 1999, page 36)

State Department caught bullshitting again eh? Concession Accepted. Here's a recipe for State Department claims: add salt. Lots.
The point is that there’s none being purchased at all according to the capital city’s chief medical resident, a man who for occupational purposes must move throughout that area to multiple hospitals on a regular basis and treat a variety of injuries or ailments.
Actually, he makes the statement that he spent all his money on the military and on palaces. It doesn't follow to assume that because you have money, you can buy whatever you want in the quantities that you want, or that it's cost-efficient to do so- this is a black market we're talking about.
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oh cmon, noone wants to rip on me for blatent expansionism? :)
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kojikun wrote:oh cmon, noone wants to rip on me for blatent expansionism? :)
I thought about it, but for some reason I just couldn't take ya seriously :wink:

When I'm reading rabidly ignorant imperialist war-monger articles in the Weekly Standard wanking off to American preeminence and her sovereign right to intervene in the world to promote her interests fap fap fap imperialist fap fap fap white man's burden fap fap fap dubya is sexy etc written by you, meh, maybe I'll have a little more bile in store.
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