Wolfowitz: Iraq war was about oil
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howedar,so that post had absolutely no purpose other than to insult someone? Good job spaming there buddy, because that statement enriched our understanding of the issues a whole lot. Seriously do you think a single person here cares what your personal opinion is? do you think anyone cares that i think your a mother fucking moronic asshole, or in short a massive collassal prick and dumbass, but that i happen to agree with you on issue A? This is purely an attempt to hyjack this thread, and serves absolutely no purpose in this thread. YOu wanna insult me with no other reason to post, please PM me, id be happy to pm you with the gory details as to why you are a prick and a moron, but you are wasting bandwidth with that post.
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Attacking Saudi Arabia would have been too messy, if only due to the whole "Holy Land" thing. Iraq was a target with a ton of oil, a military weak enough for us to have crushed in a couple of weeks, and a secular leader who wasn't likely to draw much support from the fanatic crowd. A good choice, overall.
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Iraq has as many holy sites as Saudi Arabia does; they've just been suppressed for years by Saddam. Now that he's gone, the Muslims expect to be able to use those holy sites again, and you will eventually hear the same religious-fanatic bullshit about "infidels on the holy land".
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Iraqi holy sites include Kerbala, the site of the massacre of Ali the fourth Caliph and cousin of Mohammed, and the place where the Shia'a/Sunni split became permanant. There is also Baghdad, site of the Caliphate during the Abbasid Dynasty during one of the golden eras of Islam, and of course Ur, Babylon.... although from the time of jhaliyya or pre-Islamic barbarism, still respected.
But these do tend to pale in comparison to Mecca and Medina. An 'infidel' invasion of these sites would be a stir for trouble across the Muslim world.
As to the oil-- bear in mind Wolfowitz was taken out of context, but even so as I have said before, so what? What was Saddam going to use that oil money for? Scools, libraries, orphanges? Seriously. He would use them for war-- war with Iran, war with his own people, developing more WMDs.... whether for oil or for democracy or to end a tyrant or because My Little Pony said so, we are still better off without Saddam.
But these do tend to pale in comparison to Mecca and Medina. An 'infidel' invasion of these sites would be a stir for trouble across the Muslim world.
As to the oil-- bear in mind Wolfowitz was taken out of context, but even so as I have said before, so what? What was Saddam going to use that oil money for? Scools, libraries, orphanges? Seriously. He would use them for war-- war with Iran, war with his own people, developing more WMDs.... whether for oil or for democracy or to end a tyrant or because My Little Pony said so, we are still better off without Saddam.
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Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."
In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!
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Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."
In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!
If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!!
Grrr! Fight my Brute, you pansy!
Right now, the biggest resistance is coming out of Fallujah, I think the name is- it's supposed to be a hotbed of Ba'athists, don't know how accurate that is.
Quite frankly I find the amount of non-combat, mostly road vehicle related accidents in Iraq to be an utter disgrace. Something is clearly fucking wrong- are the troops shit tired, or what?
Quite frankly I find the amount of non-combat, mostly road vehicle related accidents in Iraq to be an utter disgrace. Something is clearly fucking wrong- are the troops shit tired, or what?
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The US Army had over 1000 accidents in the first Gulf War. Long days and nights tried men and minds more concerned with looking out for mines and hostile troops then watching the road all add up.Vympel wrote:
Quite frankly I find the amount of non-combat, mostly road vehicle related accidents in Iraq to be an utter disgrace. Something is clearly fucking wrong- are the troops shit tired, or what?
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It’s not uncommon in any army. You’re seeing more now because our troops are all in one place with the media spotlight overhead. But in the United States, it was common to read of a 6x6 truck rolling over or a Marine helicopter crashing about once a month or so even before September 11th.Quite frankly I find the amount of non-combat, mostly road vehicle related accidents in Iraq to be an utter disgrace. Something is clearly fucking wrong- are the troops shit tired, or what?
Amen. Wolfowitz made a smart political move: focus on the very simple fear of attack by WMD. Doesn’t mean they’re not there. Just that we’re not saying in as many words that we’d like an ally to replace Saudi Arabia down the road. We often assault Bush for not having enough tact. This time, at least, he held his tongue about the less easily-stomached justifications.Quite frankly I find the amount of non-combat, mostly road vehicle related accidents in Iraq to be an utter disgrace. Something is clearly fucking wrong- are the troops shit tired, or what?