America invading Iran? Impossible I say

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2003-08-01 12:54am

I've heard some wishy washy news and theories that the united states might invade Iran?

what are the chances of this?
Russia got screwed out of billions already, I don't think they would let it happen again.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-08-01 12:59am

Anyone who suggest such is a total moron and quite likely some rabid liberal trying to attack Bush. I've already run into a lot of them online and in real life. The US will not be invading another major nation, and by major I mean bigger then Burundi, for several years at the bare minimal. More likely we wont see another major US ground war until well after Future Combat System is driving around.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-08-01 01:24am

skimmer, have you been watching eddie izzard? Je suis le président du Burundi. Vous aiment du café? La souris est sous la table, le chat est sur la chaise, et le singe est sur la branche.

omega, if the US invades anyone else, it would be alone. there would be no international support. it would be fucking stupid for the US to invade anyone.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-08-01 01:30am

Sea Skimmer wrote:More likely we wont see another major US ground war until well after Future Combat System is driving around.

Let me add a little addendum to that:

We won't see another major US offensive ground war until well after FCS.

Posbi · Post by **Posbi** » 2003-08-01 07:17am

The US bugdet is close to imploding even right now (well, ok, exaggerated), but there's no way you could handle a full assault on a 70 million people nation which just tends to be nationalistic, in comparison your former enemies rather well-armed and full of people willing to sacrifice themselves in defense of said country.
If the US really decided to invade Iran with it's recent military doctrine (which to me looks like: Why invade proper with 500K men when you can make it an unstable shithole with 250K men?), you would undoubtly be able to inflict heavy casualties, but in the end you would neither be able to conquer nor to hold Persia. They are a couple leagues above the normal Arab or Pashtun "I wrap a dirty towel around my head"-threat.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-08-01 07:48am

-thinks- I think you could conquer iran.

it would just be on a japan level of nastiness.

Posbi · Post by **Posbi** » 2003-08-01 08:07am

Of course you could. But I don't see the US public accepting tens of thousands of bodybags. Do you?

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-08-01 09:02am

not for iran.

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2003-08-01 09:08am

Iran would be a very stupid move indeed. Iran isn't an isolated piece of shit republik like Saddam's Iraq was - it's an industrialized nation that's on the verge of adopting a Westernized model of government. Invasion would reverse all the progress that Iran has made over the last decade and put it firmly in the hands of the Ayatollahs for the purpose of repelling the invasion, and once that was done, they'd never let go again.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-08-01 09:11am

Iceberg wrote:an industrialized nation that's on the verge of adopting a Westernized model of government.

One should qualify this statement by noting that it is only on the verge of adopting a westernized model of government because it is on the verge of a violent revolution.

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2003-08-01 09:14am

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:
Iceberg wrote:an industrialized nation that's on the verge of adopting a Westernized model of government.
One should qualify this statement by noting that it is only on the verge of adopting a westernized model of government because it is on the verge of a violent revolution.

Well, yes. But the point is, they are westernizing, one way or the other.

They've also had the sense to, unlike every other Middle Eastern country, develop indigenous aerospace and marine industries, which results in a middle-eastern nation that could be a genuine competitor to Euro-American hegemony at some later date (not in the near future, but sometime in the 2050s-2080s timeframe).

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-08-01 10:39am

I don't think the USA have plans for attacking Iran in the near future - at least not as a part of the "War Against Terror".

Mainly because I've only heard rumours, (and we all know how reliable they are

) and not heard much about tensions between USA and Iran on TV.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-08-01 01:50pm

Violent revolution seems to be the way most modern nations are born. The
American Colonies revolting against mainland Britain, the French revolting
against their King.. The problem with Iran is not that its modernizing
violently but that there aren't enough people who support it. School kids
want it modernized for a good reason, they're idealists like our founding
fathers, but what happens when older people get into the revolution game?
It'll be power plays and corruption. The previous generations have shown
their apathy, and the only thing that could get them in the fight is some
promise for wealth and power.