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UN Backs Bush on Iraq Resolution
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NEW YORK — The U.N. Security Council grudgingly but unanimously adopted a resolution authorizing U.S. rule in Iraq yesterday, giving the Bush administration an unexpectedly decisive diplomatic victory.
The vote bolstered the international political standing of the U.S.-led coalition governing in Baghdad but seemed unlikely to result in major new contributions of troops and money. Several countries said they would not increase their commitments.
U.S. diplomats had worked around the clock this week to build support for the resolution, which went through countless minor revisions in the face of criticism from Russia, France, Germany, China, Pakistan and the permanent bureaucracy in the United Nations.
Passage with the minimum nine votes necessary had been expected as recently as Wednesday, but resistance crumbled overnight. Russia, France and Germany, all of which opposed the Iraq war, announced they would support the decision early yesterday and Syria, the council's sole Arab member, quickly fell into line.
The vote allowed U.S. diplomats to claim a decisive victory while maintaining total military and economic control in Iraq.
"I think this is a great achievement for the entire Security Council to come together again in this manner," said Secretary of State Colin L. Powell. "We have come together to help the Iraqi people and put all of our differences of the past in the past."
John Negroponte, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, concurred: "I think this is a good day for Iraq, it's a good day for the council and a good day for the future of Iraq," he said. "I think that we're very satisfied, obviously, with the outcome of a consensus vote, 15-0."
Despite voting in favor, many council members said they were uncomfortable with the resolution because it did not give significant independence or responsibility to the United Nations.
The governments of France, Russia and Germany cited that shortcoming in a statement immediately after the vote, saying they still could not contribute troops or additional resources to Iraq.
They also objected that the text did not establish a firm schedule for coalition forces to leave Iraq and turn over sovereignty to an Iraqi government.
"The conditions are not created for us to envisage any military commitment and no further financial contributions beyond our present engagement," the three governments said in their joint statement.
Pakistan also announced that it would not contribute troops to the multinational force as long as it remained under the command of the coalition.
Ambassador Munir Akram stressed that the decision could be reversed if the Iraqi people and other regional powers requested Pakistani troops.
U.S. officials played down the remarks, saying they believed some countries were waiting to see how the draft was received before they committed contributions.
Mr. Powell told reporters he did not expect the resolution to break open wallets or produce troops from governments that weren't already inclined to do so.
"There are not only council members but others who have said they were waiting to see what kind of Security Council resolution was passed, and by what kind of majority, before they addressed the issue of troops or money," said a weary but happy looking Mr. Negroponte.
"So I think now you've got to give it a little time, let the impact of the passage of this resolution, which I'm certain will be very strong in many parts of the world, let that sink in."
The carefully worded four-page resolution invites the U.S.- appointed Iraqi Governing Council to submit to the council by Dec. 15 its own timeline for drafting a constitution and holding elections leading to sovereignty.
It also authorizes a multinational force under U.S. command, with that mandate to be renewed by the council every six months.
The resolution was co-sponsored by Cameroon, Britain and Spain, which will be hosting a conference on Oct. 24 and 25 for potential donors to Iraq's reconstruction.
Spanish Ambassador Inocencio F. Arias said the unanimous vote should be helpful in securing pledges of money and expertise. "The countries were saying, 'How can we go to Madrid without legal support?' Now you have the best support, unanimously."
He acknowledged "disappointment" at the reluctance of key council nations to pledge additional support. "If we are talking honestly about implementing the resolution and helping Iraqis, let us see the money," Mr. Arias said.
Mr. Powell also was hopeful.
"I've had some pretty good conversations," he told reporters. "I wouldn't want to give out a number now, but I'm more optimistic than I was last week with respect to the donors' conference in Madrid."
• David R. Sands contributed to this report in Washington.
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NEW YORK — The U.N. Security Council grudgingly but unanimously adopted a resolution authorizing U.S. rule in Iraq yesterday, giving the Bush administration an unexpectedly decisive diplomatic victory.
The vote bolstered the international political standing of the U.S.-led coalition governing in Baghdad but seemed unlikely to result in major new contributions of troops and money. Several countries said they would not increase their commitments.
U.S. diplomats had worked around the clock this week to build support for the resolution, which went through countless minor revisions in the face of criticism from Russia, France, Germany, China, Pakistan and the permanent bureaucracy in the United Nations.
Passage with the minimum nine votes necessary had been expected as recently as Wednesday, but resistance crumbled overnight. Russia, France and Germany, all of which opposed the Iraq war, announced they would support the decision early yesterday and Syria, the council's sole Arab member, quickly fell into line.
The vote allowed U.S. diplomats to claim a decisive victory while maintaining total military and economic control in Iraq.
"I think this is a great achievement for the entire Security Council to come together again in this manner," said Secretary of State Colin L. Powell. "We have come together to help the Iraqi people and put all of our differences of the past in the past."
John Negroponte, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, concurred: "I think this is a good day for Iraq, it's a good day for the council and a good day for the future of Iraq," he said. "I think that we're very satisfied, obviously, with the outcome of a consensus vote, 15-0."
Despite voting in favor, many council members said they were uncomfortable with the resolution because it did not give significant independence or responsibility to the United Nations.
The governments of France, Russia and Germany cited that shortcoming in a statement immediately after the vote, saying they still could not contribute troops or additional resources to Iraq.
They also objected that the text did not establish a firm schedule for coalition forces to leave Iraq and turn over sovereignty to an Iraqi government.
"The conditions are not created for us to envisage any military commitment and no further financial contributions beyond our present engagement," the three governments said in their joint statement.
Pakistan also announced that it would not contribute troops to the multinational force as long as it remained under the command of the coalition.
Ambassador Munir Akram stressed that the decision could be reversed if the Iraqi people and other regional powers requested Pakistani troops.
U.S. officials played down the remarks, saying they believed some countries were waiting to see how the draft was received before they committed contributions.
Mr. Powell told reporters he did not expect the resolution to break open wallets or produce troops from governments that weren't already inclined to do so.
"There are not only council members but others who have said they were waiting to see what kind of Security Council resolution was passed, and by what kind of majority, before they addressed the issue of troops or money," said a weary but happy looking Mr. Negroponte.
"So I think now you've got to give it a little time, let the impact of the passage of this resolution, which I'm certain will be very strong in many parts of the world, let that sink in."
The carefully worded four-page resolution invites the U.S.- appointed Iraqi Governing Council to submit to the council by Dec. 15 its own timeline for drafting a constitution and holding elections leading to sovereignty.
It also authorizes a multinational force under U.S. command, with that mandate to be renewed by the council every six months.
The resolution was co-sponsored by Cameroon, Britain and Spain, which will be hosting a conference on Oct. 24 and 25 for potential donors to Iraq's reconstruction.
Spanish Ambassador Inocencio F. Arias said the unanimous vote should be helpful in securing pledges of money and expertise. "The countries were saying, 'How can we go to Madrid without legal support?' Now you have the best support, unanimously."
He acknowledged "disappointment" at the reluctance of key council nations to pledge additional support. "If we are talking honestly about implementing the resolution and helping Iraqis, let us see the money," Mr. Arias said.
Mr. Powell also was hopeful.
"I've had some pretty good conversations," he told reporters. "I wouldn't want to give out a number now, but I'm more optimistic than I was last week with respect to the donors' conference in Madrid."
• David R. Sands contributed to this report in Washington.
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I very much doubt that Bush and Powell will be so smug after Madrid...
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I find the deafening silence to be funny. We now have UN Authorization to
do whatever the fuck we please
do whatever the fuck we please
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Basically, this is the UN acknowledging the status quo. Notice that nobody's stepping up to the plate with troops or money.
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Yet. There is every possibility that we could get an Indian division out of this, and possibly other troops as well. Money is less likely, I grant, as the countries which are undecided but might support us through this measure are those which have troops to give but not specie. Also the statement that Russia will not send troops is I believe inaccurate--they have not yet come out either way.Iceberg wrote:Notice that nobody's stepping up to the plate with troops or money.
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Iceberg wrote:Basically, this is the UN acknowledging the status quo.
We now have UN Authorization to run Iraq the way we're doing it right now,
and France and Germany can't say fuck all. Bush got everything
he wanted essentially from the UN, and didn't have to compromise a damn
thing.
We just got a biiig diplomatic boost as we can now point to this and say "The UN approves the US running Iraq!"
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Indeed a mythic victory over a completely indifferent foe.MKSheppard wrote:Iceberg wrote:Basically, this is the UN acknowledging the status quo.
We now have UN Authorization to run Iraq the way we're doing it right now,
and France and Germany can't say fuck all. Bush got everything
he wanted essentially from the UN, and didn't have to compromise a damn
thing.
We just got a biiig diplomatic boost as we can now point to this and say "The UN approves the US running Iraq!"
Giving the UN rubber stamp to the US at this point is hardly that big a deal, the US refused to compromise and the other nations just decided that recognising reality and giving the UN seal of approval was better than looking petty.
Meanwhile the body count passes 100 (which while not that high isn't good for Bush) and aid is cut and transferred to loans against Bush's express wishes, still no WMD (and practical admission that they won' be found) and the picture (whether accurate or not) is that the US is flailing about stuck to yet another tar bay but then again I guess you have to take your victories (however small) where you can get them.(especailly since it looks like Tony has slipped his tether with these new EU military plans).
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Actually, the body count is up around 350-360 US troops (not counting thousands of Iraqi dead and thousands more wounded on both sides).
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Yeah, but why differentiate between before and after the war? It's not like the war has ended or something.TheDarkling wrote:
100+ killed in attacks since the war ended, it was on the front page of BBC news earlier.
The accident figures are also contrived- apart from the deaths by that mysterious illness, the drownings (at least 3 of them, wtf ...) and the suicides (i.e. "non-combat gunshot wounds"), the accidents involve car crashes- usually the result of speeding up after being ambushed and crashing into something.
Including accidents, the figure is 198.
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It's good propaganda.Andrew J. wrote:Uh huh. Aren't conservatives the ones that say the UN is irrelevant and powerless and stuff like that? Why are you getting so worked up about this?
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My point was that after Bush's speech about ending the conflict it was clear he was indicating the job was mostly done, however problems continue to mount.Vympel wrote:Yeah, but why differentiate between before and after the war? It's not like the war has ended or something.TheDarkling wrote:
100+ killed in attacks since the war ended, it was on the front page of BBC news earlier.
The accident figures are also contrived- apart from the deaths by that mysterious illness, the drownings (at least 3 of them, wtf ...) and the suicides (i.e. "non-combat gunshot wounds"), the accidents involve car crashes- usually the result of speeding up after being ambushed and crashing into something.
Including accidents, the figure is 198.
As for the suspect deaths, they do seem more than a little odd but when putting a spin on things the US could easy forget to tally them when facing heat over fatalities (lies, damn lies and statistics after all).
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Riiight... We've got them right where they want us.MKSheppard wrote:We now have UN Authorization to run Iraq the way we're doing it right now,
and France and Germany can't say fuck all. Bush got everything
he wanted essentially from the UN, and didn't have to compromise a damn
thing.
We just got a biiig diplomatic boost as we can now point to this and say "The UN approves the US running Iraq!"
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Shep, that more like a "Yeah. Sure. Whatever," pat on the back, which allows to you further entangle yourself in that quagmire and proudly announce your phyrric victory...
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We just went above the 100~ dead mark in the post-war occupation,Dahak wrote:Shep, that more like a "Yeah. Sure. Whatever," pat on the back, which allows to you further entangle yourself in that quagmire and proudly announce your phyrric victory...
and it took us almost half a year from May to October
to go above 100~ dead, while it took us a pretty bad WEEK in Vietnam
to get that total. And 95% of all these attacks on US troops are occuring
in the Iron Triangle around Baghdad and Tikrit. Wow, Quagmire indeed.
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In 2002 the US military lost nearly a thousand personal in accidents. Many of these accidents in Iraq have nothing to do with combat and would have happened anyway. Insurance for 18-25 year old drivers in America is expensive for a reason, and we've got those same people driving rather larger and heavier vehicles under worse conditions. NVG=no depth perception ect...Vympel wrote:
Yeah, but why differentiate between before and after the war? It's not like the war has ended or something.
The accident figures are also contrived- apart from the deaths by that mysterious illness, the drownings (at least 3 of them, wtf ...) and the suicides (i.e. "non-combat gunshot wounds"), the accidents involve car crashes- usually the result of speeding up after being ambushed and crashing into something.
Including accidents, the figure is 198.
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Accidedents are one thing, enemy action is quite another. When you combine the two in a country you have invaded for spurious reasons then you have a problem.Sea Skimmer wrote:In 2002 the US military lost nearly a thousand personal in accidents. Many of these accidents in Iraq have nothing to do with combat and would have happened anyway. Insurance for 18-25 year old drivers in America is expensive for a reason, and we've got those same people driving rather larger and heavier vehicles under worse conditions. NVG=no depth perception ect...Vympel wrote:
Yeah, but why differentiate between before and after the war? It's not like the war has ended or something.
The accident figures are also contrived- apart from the deaths by that mysterious illness, the drownings (at least 3 of them, wtf ...) and the suicides (i.e. "non-combat gunshot wounds"), the accidents involve car crashes- usually the result of speeding up after being ambushed and crashing into something.
Including accidents, the figure is 198.
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Although, when the fatalities inflicted by a determined, organized, and viciously dedicated enemy force fail to impressively exceed the fatalities typically suffered in routine accidents, then perhaps the enemy force is not as determined, organized, and viciously dedicated as it is made out to be.
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I dunno...it just seems a bit hypocritical to use the edicts of a body that one doesn't think is legitimate in order to legitimize one's actions.The Duchess of Zeon wrote:It's good propaganda.Andrew J. wrote:Uh huh. Aren't conservatives the ones that say the UN is irrelevant and powerless and stuff like that? Why are you getting so worked up about this?
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Well this is kind of irrelivant. The issue is not that soldiers are getting killed by enemy action in huge numbers as that they are killed after the fighting has ended and are in a nation because their CinC lied. In short they die for no good reason, and that is a problem.HemlockGrey wrote:Although, when the fatalities inflicted by a determined, organized, and viciously dedicated enemy force fail to impressively exceed the fatalities typically suffered in routine accidents, then perhaps the enemy force is not as determined, organized, and viciously dedicated as it is made out to be.
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It's worth mentioning that US casualties didn't hit hundreds per year in Viet Nam until the early 60s, even though we were there from 1956 on.
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