US 'seizes al-Qaeda drugs ship'

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

We aren?t importing Afghani marijuana anyway. If we legalize it, we lose a means by which to entangle potential terrorists even if we still need time to corroborate other more damaging data.

We shouldn't legalize pot because if we did, we wouldn't be able to arrest terrorists for selling it?

Are you stupid?

Yes he is. He'd rather keep broken, corrupt, and completely unjust legislation with roots in blatant bald-faced racism just on the off-chance that terrorists could be charged with another crime which pales in comparison to the charges of Capital Murder and attempted Genocide they want to do against us every day!

[Durandal]

*Points at tobacco companies*.... and they are not a legal cartel?

And look at what happened to them. Billions of dollars of fines or settlement pay-offs in the past 5 years. Don't pretend that the tobacco companies are even remotely comparable to drug lords. Their products are heavily taxed, and they are legally accountable for the products they distribute. Good luck suing that dealer in the alley you bought pot from because the product was laced with acid.

Don't kid yourself. American tobacco companies make lots of money, but legally and politically, their position is unenviable.

[Andrew J.]

Call me a sadist, but I say legalize pot, heck, do the same for crack cocaine and everything else. Why not, if people want to kill themselves and render themselves utterly brain dead. Who am I or any of you to stand in their way.

No one here thinks legalizing coke or other hard drugs (like heroin) is okay. And marijuana doesn't cause any more brain damage than smoking tobacco.

Does AA receive any government money? I honestly can't remember now. A lot of drug-rehab clinics are privatized anyway.

We aren’t importing Afghani marijuana anyway. If we legalize it, we lose a means by which to entangle potential terrorists even if we still need time to corroborate other more damaging data.

Why don't we just ban practicing Islam and wearing beards, too? Frankly, infringing on the rights of American citizens so that potential terrorists do more illegal things is stupid and unethical. You're scum.

[Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi]

Why do people refer to anti-prohibitionists as "liberal"? Since when has any liberal politician stated a pro-legalization stance?

It seems that drugs isn't that big an issue as of now. I'd say there might be a move to legalize pot in a decade or two, but until then, the closest politicians on either side will get to legalizing it will be admitting to smoking it in the 60's.

[Axis Kast]

We don't import sufficient quantities of Afghani or Middle Eastern marijuana crop to propell their economies. Most of the drugs we import originate in South or Central America.

[HemlockGrey]

No one here thinks legalizing coke or other hard drugs (like heroin) is okay. And marijuana doesn't cause any more brain damage than smoking tobacco.

Frankly, I'd support legalization of virtually everything short of PCP.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

We don't import sufficient quantities of Afghani or Middle Eastern marijuana crop to propell their economies. Most of the drugs we import originate in South or Central America.

Well you just contradicted your primary reason to keep draconian drug legislation and the DEA Gestapo to enforce them.

CONCESSION ACCEPTED, TROLL.

[Durandal]

We don't import sufficient quantities of Afghani or Middle Eastern marijuana crop to propell their economies. Most of the drugs we import originate in South or Central America.

We don't need to. Marijuana can be grown virtually anywhere, and it is currently America's largest cash crop because of its illegal status and the insane markups which result.

[Hamel]

We don't import sufficient quantities of Afghani or Middle Eastern marijuana crop to propell their economies. Most of the drugs we import originate in South or Central America.

Well you just contradicted your primary reason to keep draconian drug legislation and the DEA Gestapo to enforce them.

CONCESSION ACCEPTED, TROLL.

Yours truly doesn't think Axi is trolling

If anything, he hit the spiked eggnog

[Axis Kast]

Wait a minute.

Islamic fundamentalists wouldn't make nearly as much money if they couldn't export marijuana to the United States - yet we don't buy any in the first place? Great economics right there.

Who the hell said the "primary reason" to keep anti-drug laws on the books was counter-terrorism? I said it was a point. I think everybody here knows my position on drugs.

Keeping drugs illegal will however provide an extra vector of prosecution for the United States government when other charges still have to be confirmed and the only thing somebody can be locked up for is drug possession or trafficking. It worked for Al Capone.

[Andrew J.]

Keeping drugs illegal will however provide an extra vector of prosecution for the United States government when other charges still have to be confirmed and the only thing somebody can be locked up for is drug possession or trafficking. It worked for Al Capone.

We have PATRIOT now, we don't need a "reason" to lock someone up.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

Wait a minute.

It's Christmas, I don't have much time.

Islamic fundamentalists wouldn't make nearly as much money if they couldn't export marijuana to the United States - yet we don't buy any in the first place? Great economics right there.

They don't export to the USA, they export to OTHER PLACES. But your version of the World consists entirely of the Middle East, the USA, and whatever small room you're in at the time.

And did I mention that Marijuana is the USA's biggest Cash Crop? Why import something when we can GROW IT IN THE BACKYARD!?

Who the hell said the "primary reason" to keep anti-drug laws on the books was counter-terrorism? I said it was a point.

YOUR primary reason, not THE. Stop projecting your fucking worldview on the world. They'll hate your guts quite quickly for it (Case In Point: Most of SDnet!).

I think everybody here knows my position on drugs.

Your position on drugs is one of total moral cowardice and bankruptcy. How do you justify keeping tobacco and alcohol legal (knowing full well how lethal they both are) while criminalizing marijuana which has been PROVEN TIME AND AGAIN not to be anywhere near as damaging as the legal drugs I just named? Marijuana simply will not kill you. However, a stint in the Prison System CAN kill you (beatings, stabbings, AIDS, and corrupt cops come to mind).

Keeping drugs illegal will however provide an extra vector of prosecution for the United States government when other charges still have to be confirmed and the only thing somebody can be locked up for is drug possession or trafficking.

Name ONE Terror Suspect the Feds used this tactic on.

It worked for Al Capone.

They got Capone for TAX EVASION. NOT Drug Laws. Now you're a fucking bald-faced Liar.

Liars get the Ban Stick rather quickly here. See You In Hell.

[Axis Kast]

It's Christmas, I don't have much time.

Just enough to childishly ridicule my screen name, right?

They don't export to the USA, they export to OTHER PLACES. But your version of the World consists entirely of the Middle East, the USA, and whatever small room you're in at the time.

More nonsense. This is what you've suggested so far: "Legalizing marijuana would destroy the economies of certain nations with whom we are currently at loggerheads because we would no longer need to import their chief cashcrop."

But we don't import huge quantities from the Middle East in the first place! Your economic theory is nothing but bullshit. And what do American laws have to do with these "other places" about which you speak?

YOUR primary reason, not THE. Stop projecting your fucking worldview on the world. They'll hate your guts quite quickly for it (Case In Point: Most of SDnet!).

No, that's not my primary reason. It's a point I made. Jesus Christ. People on this forum do it constantly: make one statement in favor of something, and you're on a Crusade for it.

Your position on drugs is one of total moral cowardice and bankruptcy. How do you justify keeping tobacco and alcohol legal (knowing full well how lethal they both are) while criminalizing marijuana which has been PROVEN TIME AND AGAIN not to be anywhere near as damaging as the legal drugs I just named? Marijuana simply will not kill you. However, a stint in the Prison System CAN kill you (beatings, stabbings, AIDS, and corrupt cops come to mind).

We can't stop alcohol or cigarettes. We might be able to stop marijuana - if not, and we have lost the war, we can at least tax it and regulate it quite heavily.

Marijuana alters your brain chemistry considerably. We have to live with niccotine and alcohol; perhaps with marijuana. That doesn't mean we need to condone use.

Name ONE Terror Suspect the Feds used this tactic on.[/qutoe]

Gladly.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/ ... 0457.shtml

Many of those involved were arrested on drug charges first.

They got Capone for TAX EVASION. NOT Drug Laws. Now you're a fucking bald-faced Liar.

I know that. The point is that he's an example of using an unusual vector to catch large fish. It's an example of how using drug charges against other criminals - in this case, terrorists - could work.[/code]

[Andrew J.]

We can't stop alcohol or cigarettes. We might be able to stop marijuana - if not, and we have lost the war, we can at least tax it and regulate it quite heavily.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Not a snowball's chance in hell, chump.

As for Capone, no one-except possibly very passionate libertarians-think laws against tax evasion are a violation of civil rights.

[Andrew J.]

We can't stop alcohol or cigarettes. We might be able to stop marijuana

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Not a snowball's chance in hell, chump.

As for Capone, no one-except possibly very passionate libertarians-think laws against tax evasion are a violation of civil rights.

[0.1]

Sorry Andrew, wrong premise here, I'm not implying anyone here supports legalizing hard drugs. I like the idea of more people using hard drugs. It's a nice little selection tool, select out the ridiculously weak and weed them out of the gene pool. It's a source of income for the govt. once regulated, and given the number of people that might croak in the process, heh heh, well, it might reduce the burden on the govt. having less people to support on social programs.

[Keevan_Colton]

Sorry Andrew, wrong premise here, I'm not implying anyone here supports legalizing hard drugs. I like the idea of more people using hard drugs. It's a nice little selection tool, select out the ridiculously weak and weed them out of the gene pool. It's a source of income for the govt. once regulated, and given the number of people that might croak in the process, heh heh, well, it might reduce the burden on the govt. having less people to support on social programs.

You really are a horrid misanthropic little fuck arent you?

Kast, as for your bullshit, since none of this shit is coming to the US according to you, why is it any fucking business of the US if terrorists are doing it in other countires....oh wait, it fucking isnt...your idea that this helps to fight relys on your assumption that they are bringing this into the US to gain funds....which means they can be arrested by the US for it...which is clearly bullshit by your own later statement.
Wonderful....did you miss your medication today?

[Andrew J.]

Sorry Andrew, wrong premise here, I'm not implying anyone here supports legalizing hard drugs. I like the idea of more people using hard drugs. It's a nice little selection tool, select out the ridiculously weak and weed them out of the gene pool.

A proper eugenics program (ie, one where we actively exterminate the undeserving) would cause much more pain and suffering. Is it too much for your bleeding heart to take, wuss?

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

Just enough to childishly ridicule my screen name, right?

You deserve it, Troll.

More nonsense. This is what you've suggested so far: "Legalizing marijuana would destroy the economies of certain nations with whom we are currently at loggerheads because we would no longer need to import their chief cashcrop."

MORON!! WE DON"T NEED TO IMPORT THEIR GANJA BECAUSE WE'RE GROWING PLENTY OF OUR OWN. It is YOU with the Bullshit Economics, Troll.

But we don't import huge quantities from the Middle East in the first place! Your economic theory is nothing but bullshit. And what do American laws have to do with these "other places" about which you speak?

See my rebuttal to your previous point, Troll.

No, that's not my primary reason. It's a point I made. Jesus Christ. People on this forum do it constantly: make one statement in favor of something, and you're on a Crusade for it.

Oh goody, go talkin shit about the rest of SDnet. Way to get people to see your side, Troll.

We can't stop alcohol or cigarettes. We might be able to stop marijuana--

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

if not, and we have lost the war, we can at least tax it and regulate it quite heavily.

Finally you say something I can agree with. The Troll Can be Taught!!

Marijuana alters your brain chemistry considerably.

BULLSHIT. BACK YOUR SHIT UP OR GET THE FUCK OUT, TROLL.

We have to live with nicotine and alcohol; perhaps with marijuana. That doesn't mean we need to condone use.

And if the government criminalizes eating tomatoes on the off-chance that they're closely related to the deadly nightshade or maybe some government gets racist against Italians (and we all know they love tomatoes!), you'll condone the possibility of an otherwise completely nonviolent 'offender' getting the shit beaten out of them, anally raped, or KILLED!? FUCK YOU VERY MUCH, TROLL.

Gladly.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/ ... 0457.shtml

Many of those involved were arrested on drug charges first.

METHAMPHETAMINES, NOT MARIJUANA. RED FUCKING HERRING, TROLL.

I know that. The point is that he's an example of using an unusual vector to catch large fish. It's an example of how using drug charges against other criminals - in this case, terrorists - could work.

Still does not justify the gross injustice of the drug laws in the first place.



To Sum Your Shit Up: You would rather see a million innocent, nonviolent people get their human rights violently stomped into the ground on the off-chance that *one* terrorist will face additional charges in a court of law. I see no need whatsoever to point out your Major Malfunction. Fuck you TROLL. You have no place here on SDnet. See You In Hell.

[Durandal]

Thread closed. You're both annoying the piss out of me.